Hi Dennis, The inference one would make from your single statement/sentence is enormous. Please agree with me on that. If only you thought about that. I am not being emotional as there is nothing for me to lose as an individual from the apparent scandal. I was only trying to correct something I thought was a misnomer in your statement, which was ably supported by Alex. Maybe we should also ask Alex what he took your statement to mean:) You said "D and above...and your ability to outrun..." That alone to me meant a few things as pertains/relates to the issue at hand. It simply means/implies "their lack of proper qualifications to make coherent decisions" as a result of being picked from lowly academic grades. It also implies that the most of them were recruited due to their running abilities as opposed to grades consideration. Well, we are entitled to opinions and interpretations and some could be wrong, but I doubt am far away from the truth on this one:) Now allow me to take you on on this - "Also, if you scored better grades, you are likely to get better terms of service elsewhere." Think about it. There are professionals within the Police ranks. Some are there by choice, not just because their grades could not take them to other places with better terms of service. Some just want to serve. Some went there because they had not landed jobs elsewhere at the time the opportunity presented itself. Tell me if anyone with good grades is always guaranteed a job with better terms, and where? I am happy, though, that you changed tone - according to my interpretation:) On 28 April 2013 12:58, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I said nothing about graduates here.
I said “D and above." If you scored B or A and you really want to join the force, you have toboutrun D guys.
Also, if you scored better grades, you are likely to get better terms of service elsewhere.
Also, as you pointed out, a graduate may not mean anything, hence same argument applies for graduates in the police force.
So should we be happy that our police force fell for the same ruse as UN. Shouldn't we have been happy in a situatition where the force warned the UN?
Remember, there are non-specific terror alerts in Uganda and Burundi. The force is supposed to pre-empt such attacks, not arrest 500 suspects after 5 attackers kill 20 in Garissa. Why does Garissa not have an instant reponse team despite repeated attacks?
Wash, please approach the issue logically, not emotionally.
A police spokesperson earleir this year commented that the force is not a place for academic rejects.
On Apr 28, 2013 12:28 PM, "Watson Kambo" <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
You also have to note that these things were also supplied to the UN they are the ones who discovered that they never detected anything, hence the court case. If the Kenya police bought after recommendations from UN then I would cut them a slack ... the issue of them now saying they are serviceable and hence usable is a new story altogether, maybe someone in the force actually made them work ... wouldn't that be great ... :-)
On 28 April 2013 12:14, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, @Dennis,
That's a very shortsighted argument/justification and is hard to believe coming from you. There are so many graduates in the Police Force, besides some very bright minds who, despite having reached only Kenya Junior or KCE or KCSE, are very well informed, even more than most graduates. Being a graduate in Kenya (and even recently in the US) have been discovered to be nothing more than "mwakenya", so you guys are not going to convince me that the solutions to the improvements required in the Police Force will be the employment of graduates into their ranks. Let me dwell on the main issue though - procurement of fake equipment. You all will agree with me that in procurement, be it public or security(military, etc) there are always vested interests angling for what they see as the low-hanging fruit (for lack of a better word to describe that) and who are the ones who end up deciding how the tenders are won. I can tell you that this happens more outside the institutions of security than inside. Only a few "inside" collaborators do end up knowing what is going on in the procurement process. When the Police Force buys such a large arsenal of equipment, nothing stops these merchants of deceit from supplying a few genuine test units and containers of fake! You guys know how it goes.... Let's not blame the fiasco on education standards within the ranks. It's just to far from it.
On 28 April 2013 11:59, Alex Ngatia <alex.ngatia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis those are my sentiments exactly. That's why I stopped expecting any improvement in the police force until they up their standards
Regards,
Alex
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Remember policebrecruitment is pegged on scoring "D and above“ in National secondary examinations and your ability to outrun those who turn up for the mass recruitment.
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