On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:

This move by CCK is very dangerous and we MUST fight hard to stop it ASAP!

We must fight to keep our privacy. PERIOD!

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree Wash, i am yet to see the version on BD, but i saw the post on
Hot 96 and responded based on what i saw on TV and what i have learnt
by participating in the process, i think it is good for guys to attend
this stakeholder meetings when they are called so that the right info
can be spread out there.

On 3/21/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, bar for any misinterpretation that might have been part of the Business
> Daily article, the main debate issue raised by the original poster, IMHO,
> was about the act of spying on Internet users. And to me, this is a fact,
> and a necessary evil.
> Whoever does it or how it is done or through whom doesn't really matter
> here, at least for the OP. His contention wasprobably with the fact that
> it's gonna happen (ethics), not knowing that it's been happening already
> anyway. For instance, how do you suppose the Police were able to pinpoint
> the individuals who compromised the e-mail accounts of the ICC witnesses?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:55, Barrack Otieno
> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> @ Wash,
>>
>> Just to clarify i don't work for CCK or ITU :-) so i am not defending
>> them, i am responding as a stakeholder who has taken the time and
>> trouble to understand what is going on, for record purposes i
>> participated in the workshop on Cybersecurity having applied thorugh
>> skunkworks and that is where i got to understand what was happening ,
>> the debate is about Kenya Computer Emergency Response Centre , the
>> public needs to be given the right information on What KCERT is, its
>> role in the fight against CyberSecurity and how the public can
>> participate, sniffing is there and has always existed but if we dwell
>> on sniffing we are likely to create sensationalism hence defeating the
>> fight against Cybersecurity, let the debate continue..
>>
>> On 3/21/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > @Barrack,
>> >
>> > The part of your posting that I have marked in bold is as vague as it
>> > comes. It can mean anything, and I dare say it can take any form,
>> including
>> > sniffing of all traffic. Actually, I wonder what this debate is about.
>> > Is
>> > it the misinformation regarding the fact that there will be packet
>> sniffing
>> > and logging or about someone mentioning CCK & ITU in bad light?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 08:38, Barrack Otieno
>> > <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> I beg to differ a bit, for those following developements in Cyber
>> >> Security, you all know that plans are underway for the formation of the
>> >> Kenya Computer Emergency Response Centre KCERT which is meant to beef
>> >> up
>> >> our response to Cyber Security attacks. I was priviledged to attend one
>> of
>> >> the Cybersecurity workshops hosted by CCK last year and of which
>> >> several
>> >> skunkers were presenting, in laymans terms *KCERT will provide an early
>> >> warning system for impending Cyberattacks since it will be a focal
>> >> point
>> >> for various other institutional certs that we will have locally, thats
>> why
>> >> they have to work with ISPs and other regulators.* I am involved in
>> >> standards developement at Kenya Bureu of Standards ISO 27000 series and
>> >> the
>> >> role of the Computer Emergency Response Centres cannot be
>> underestimated,
>> >> on another note maybe the article was meant to stir debate but that is
>> my
>> >> humble opinion as a citizen.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> On 3/21/12, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:
>> >> > Nice of them to inform us. I wouldn't be surprised that they are
>> >> > already
>> >> > doing it. Letting us know is a mere formality. On whether they have
>> >> > the
>> >> > juice. Interesting question. I wouldn't be surprised that they do.
>> >> Govt
>> >> > is and will always be secretive. Nothing surprises me after Lamu
>> port.
>> >> > Project announced and launched in 2 years. If they want to do it.
>> >> They
>> >> > will do it. Where there is political will, there is a way.
>> >> >
>> >> > KG
>> >> >
>> >> > For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in
>> a
>> >> way
>> >> > that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nelson Mandela
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>________________________________
>> >> >> From: James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>
>> >> >>To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>
>> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:56 AM
>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] This MUST be stopped!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>They should have been doing that from kitambo but admitting that they
>> >> would
>> >> >> was a stupid move.
>> >> >>Do they have the computing juice to decrypt mail stirred by PGP?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>_______________________________________________
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Without requirements or design,
>> >> >>programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file.
>> >> >>_______________________________________________
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>2012/3/20 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We need security. Anyone who does anything they believe is illegal
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> be afraid.
>> >> >>>This is something quite precedurally done almost everywhere. How do
>> you
>> >> >>> suppose the CIA is able to track the terrorists?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 22:07, Silas Savali <silas@afrikanism.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/CCK+sparks+row+with+fresh+bid+to+spy+on+Internet+users+/-/539550/1370218/-/tw1ikp/-/index.html
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