by the way which country is providing the system? singapore? what system is it? i know it has been identified but not sure which one On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Antony Kimani <kimanianthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
as you all still cry over IEBC systems, I think it is a prime time now we scutinize a million dollar system (funded by taxpayer) to be implemented by KENTRADE to allow clearing and fowarding to be seamless.
antony...
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Martin Akolo Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
A person was also kind enough to write an article about it < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/estonia-publishes-its-e-voting-so...
Martin.
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Martin Akolo Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Sorry, I understand that people ``moved on'' away from this topic a long time ago.
Some interesting developments I bumped into recently. The sources to Estonia's E-voting system are now open: < https://github.com/vvk-ehk/evalimine >
A large chunk of it is written in Python, just from a quick glance ...... O.k, actually the whole of it.
Martin.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Haiya! You go to court. Small advise though - Okiya Okoiti Omtatah may be willing to accompany you.
Actually I meant, "I refuse ...... to prove you wrong.". And as you said, people have moved on.
Martin.
On 16 April 2013 16:15, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Wash,
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have "moved on"! > > In one of todays dailies, UNDP offered to fund the audit of IEBC > systems on condition that IEBC allows an outside body to participate in the > audit process. Guess what? IEBC has refused and only want to audit itself > internally. So why worry about what went wrong anyway? > Perhaps we need to go to court to seek authority for external audit > of IEBC, funded by UNDP of course. I can bet 100% that none of us really > cares about that! > Prove me wrong. > > I refuse! :-)
Martin.
> > > On 16 April 2013 15:01, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I was hoping someone would post or comment on this link here: >> http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000081518&story_title=Kenya--IT-a... >> >> >> Martin. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Heheee.. It's not only Western Media. Some Kenyan bloggers keen on >>> being very controversial and very nasty have it too.. >>> Check out our own (Kenya's) Robert Alai doing his verbal diarrhea >>> here -> http://lix.in/-c9fe46 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7 March 2013 13:59, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> @ Wash... >>>> >>>> Wewe...heshimu Western media...the guys know thea stuff... :-D >>>> >>>> Dan O.Kwach. >>>> >>>> On 3/7/2013 1:48 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> It's the first time I heard on a p2p VPN requiring a RDBMs to >>>> run:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 March 2013 13:44, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> "The Safaricom Virtual Private Network that runs on Oracle ...." >>>>> I stopped there...smh. >>>>> If you're going to speculate, at least use an intelligent guess. >>>>> >>>>> ./bernard >>>>> On Mar 7, 2013 1:39 PM, "Dan Kwach" <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=3413 >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure how accurate the above is though...I think >>>>>> speculation is too rife for anyone to know the exact truth.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rgds, >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan O.Kwach. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/7/2013 10:18 AM, Bogi Benga wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> word round is that the system was hacked >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/kenyan-election-2013/evans-ondieki-iebc-all... >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone who can shed more light on this? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Martin Chiteri < >>>>>> martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Nelson, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your comments, they are all very sound. I just >>>>>>> need to put something small into context: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just wanted to respond to many of the issues raised today >>>>>>>> about the IEBC, the electronic tallying system, and about open access. As >>>>>>>> one of the few non-Kenyans on the list (2 months in Nairobi, previously NY >>>>>>>> where I did alot of Python work), maybe I have a unique outsiders point of >>>>>>>> view. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, this is not my election, but I it is important >>>>>>>> to the world that Kenya has strong institutions and the duty to create and >>>>>>>> maintain those institutions lies with everybody. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hardware is likely not the problem here (disk space >>>>>>>> comments aside - which are surely do to logical, not physical errors), the >>>>>>>> problem is multifaceted: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On this list, there is a strong bias towards "Kenyan >>>>>>>> solutions" or "Kenyanborn". Aside from finding this kind of offensive, >>>>>>>> it's also just petty and backwards. The reason IEBC exists is not to >>>>>>>> support the local ICT industry, it's to facilitate a trustworthy platform >>>>>>>> on which Kenyan elections can take place. In addition, there are hundreds >>>>>>>> of elections a year around the world and for Kenya to have a one-off system >>>>>>>> that has never been used elsewhere and will never be used elsewhere is >>>>>>>> neither efficient nor high quality. Maybe the local word processor and >>>>>>>> spreadsheet apps should be "Kenyanborn" too? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The general bias towards Kenyan solutions here stems from >>>>>>> the fact that most procurements of I.T solutions, for both hardware and >>>>>>> software by public institutions in Kenya, is tilted in favour of foreign >>>>>>> vending companies. An assumption made is that the imported systems are of >>>>>>> higher quality since they were "done abroad" even though this is not always >>>>>>> the case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue is that some of the systems end up being done >>>>>>> largely by locals. The multi-nationals simply hire Kenyan developers less >>>>>>> expensively to do the job right after being awarded the contract but >>>>>>> maintain the figures invoiced earlier. In the end they cost a lot of money, >>>>>>> for instance the IEBC system that attracted an invoice upwards of 100 >>>>>>> million U.S.D. This is not too good especially to our economy's balance of >>>>>>> payments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What people are saying is that we can at least do >>>>>>> half-a-decent job, that is all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Martin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> .... And now for something completely different: ``A >>>>>>> radioactive cat has 18 half-lives.'' [ PyPy ] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At my last job in the States, almost half the team was >>>>>>>> non-American and that was a strength, not a weakness. We don't know what >>>>>>>> happened at the IEBC yet, and kudos to the people working to get that data >>>>>>>> available, but the failures here cannot be blamed on 'outsiders'. Some of >>>>>>>> the commentary is bordering on xenophobic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for openness at the code level, that would certainly be >>>>>>>> awesome. Check out this article ( >>>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/features/2012/11/internet-based-and-open-source-how-e...) >>>>>>>> and connect with the Brazilians and Australians rather than try to create a >>>>>>>> techno-autarky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/varud >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +254 712 966 801 <%2B254%20712%20966%20801> >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/varud >>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Bwana Lawi < >>>>>>>> mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cool, we have made up. Hugs and shoulder pats. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can we get back to the issue at hand now? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rad! < >>>>>>>>> conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then I wish you had said that to begin with sans the knee >>>>>>>>>> jerk reaction. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I absolutely agree with you about the opening up of the >>>>>>>>>> software, and not just that - the processes and procedures >>>>>>>>>> followed by all the people in the chain >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Bernard Owuor wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Skunks, >>>>>>>>>>> If I knew that this windows-vs-linux thing was so emotive, >>>>>>>>>>> I'd have skipped it totally. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is really obscuring the point I'm trying to make - >>>>>>>>>>> which is - opening up softwares built in the public >>>>>>>>>>> interest - not just to strengthen the systems, but also to >>>>>>>>>>> foster confidence among the varioius stake-holders. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Steve, you're really in agreement with me. We're all >>>>>>>>>>> speculating, so treat my "windows 8 server" bashing as just that. Just >>>>>>>>>>> between you and me, I know that mysql would complain thus in a Linux system >>>>>>>>>>> if it ran out of disk space - because Linux stores locks on the disk. I >>>>>>>>>>> didn't know the same happened in windows too. But hey, we're free to >>>>>>>>>>> speculate in the absence of information. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Rad, a bad workman 'quarrels' with his tool. Most of >>>>>>>>>>> those who 'blame' their tools seldom work, thus they don't qualify to be >>>>>>>>>>> called workmen of any type.... A good workman selects the right tool for >>>>>>>>>>> the job. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:14 PM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] IEBC Systems >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> See? The last bastion of "professionals" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And yet ATMs, MPesa etc run on Windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bad craftsmen blame their tools >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Alex Nyalita wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wait... a Windows platform for a mission critical >>>>>>>>>>> system? SMDH!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alex Nyalita >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Patrick Kariuki < >>>>>>>>>>> patrick.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Where the experiential learning cycle comes in, when >>>>>>>>>>> you've got all the time in the world; >>>>>>>>>>> 1. What happened to the system? (we have little or no idea) >>>>>>>>>>> 2. What was experienced by the end user? (some error >>>>>>>>>>> message) >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Why did this happen? (come up with all kinds of >>>>>>>>>>> possible assumptions on what happened - based on similar error messages >>>>>>>>>>> you've had with different production systems) >>>>>>>>>>> 4. What is to be done to avoid future occurrences?(give >>>>>>>>>>> free advise, we know they're reading this - wait, isn't >>>>>>>>>>> someone getting paid to do all these??) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Bernard Mwagiru < >>>>>>>>>>> bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What I've noticed I'm my short experience is decimation of >>>>>>>>>>> lessons learnt. Between us we have years of technical hands-on, >>>>>>>>>>> get-your-hands-dirty experience. >>>>>>>>>>> What we should discuss in this thread, IMHO, is potential >>>>>>>>>>> design flaws. Without quoting any press on who said what or where. >>>>>>>>>>> Whiteafrican has a high level call flow on the various interconnecting >>>>>>>>>>> elements. >>>>>>>>>>> We can use that for starters. >>>>>>>>>>> http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> ./bernard >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2013 10:18 AM, "Tech List Kenya" < >>>>>>>>>>> techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's our professional duty and responsibility to >>>>>>>>>>> question this. In as much as IEBC needs time to sort themselves, and >>>>>>>>>>> inasmuch as we acknowledge that things go wrong, we cannot just sweep it >>>>>>>>>>> under the carpet and shrug it off. Sorry to say, that's just plain >>>>>>>>>>> irresponsible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Most of you know how much clients ride you to deliver, >>>>>>>>>>> even clients who don't pay. Especially these ones. Now imagine a client >>>>>>>>>>> paying 9b! I am always amused at how much slack we want to cut guys who >>>>>>>>>>> undercut us. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, back to issue at hand. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Mwagiru, can you lead a virtual team to conceptualize a >>>>>>>>>>> proper voting >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Hans, the doc you posted shows the RFP as of Dec. With >>>>>>>>>>> screenshots from both mobile and desktop apps. This means the system had >>>>>>>>>>> already been developed. So what is the point of failure? If we say the >>>>>>>>>>> failure is not in transmission but rather in processing, does that mean the >>>>>>>>>>> data is already at IEBC servers? >>>>>>>>>>> What would be the technological reason for the system to >>>>>>>>>>> stop processing (this is a very ambiguous term). Data visualization is >>>>>>>>>>> being done by google from IEBC servers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So what exactly is failing? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Shadrack Mwaniki < >>>>>>>>>>> shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Skunks, >>>>>>>>>>> Pole for the delay in results. >>>>>>>>>>> These are the kind of things that make people suspicious >>>>>>>>>>> and not trust local ICT professionals. >>>>>>>>>>> The public has no idea if th system is foreign or local. >>>>>>>>>>> All they know is that 9b of their money was spent >>>>>>>>>>> on the systems. >>>>>>>>>>> The transactions being managed by IEBC are so small that >>>>>>>>>>> they can be managed by a powerful desk top on any >>>>>>>>>>> relational database. doin't even talk of concurrent >>>>>>>>>>> submission of results because all that is need is a good queue >>>>>>>>>>> management algorith. >>>>>>>>>>> A separate desktop would handle the incoming traffic from >>>>>>>>>>> polling stations >>>>>>>>>>> As have al >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing listskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribehttp://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Ruleshttp://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This message contains confidential information and is intended >>>>>> only for the individual named. 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