Well said Ephraim,<br><br> Spoken like a true businessman.... most of your points are based on operating costs. You have given good reasons but not good enough to justify why someone would charge 150k-200k to a couple for a wedding shoot of one day in Nairobi? If you are charging that amount for a corporate event I would understand.<br>
<br>There is no job that is easy, ask anyone on this list the challenges of their work and they will give you a whole bucket load of them. <br><br>The point i was trying to make is that of VALUE for money.  I am not trying to demean the work of photographers but surely 200k worth of photos, do they have DSTV on them :-) .<br>
<br>Finally, the comment you made about 25k is simply not true. Expensive is NOT necessarily Equals to quality when it comes to SERVICE business.  E.g when I travel and I have the option of choosing between an Old 5 star hotel or a new 3 star hotel, i will always go for the new 3 star hotel. The reason being that i will get VALUE for my money since they are trying to impress and will go out of their way to make sure i&#39;m happy for LESS and the service will be of higher quality.<br>
<br>Anyway, at the end of the day its a willing buyer willing seller Market and for the buyer, its imperative to get value for your hard earned cash meaning the buyer really needs to do their groundwork/research.<br><br>Cheers!<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Ephraim Muchemi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:emuchemi@gmail.com" target="_blank">emuchemi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">This is a common complaint which is totally misunderstood. Photography is not an easy POINT &amp; SHOOT assignment. You have to look at the bill from the PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER&#39;s point of view. I am a Techy &amp; I have been shooting creatively as a hobby for roughly 20yrs &amp; recently turned Semi-Pro heading towards fully Professional from demand &amp; pressure so I shall share a few pointers.</font><div>


<font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Professional Photographer Billing Factors</b></font></div><div><ol><li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">The Value of equipment: the equipment to be used may range from 250,000 to 500,000 (based on various factors). </font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Time to Edit: The Client want fabulous photos.. Not photos with mud in the brides dress, or a bridesmaid with a bumpy face, groom with razor cuts. Post Processing may take some days. From around 1,000-2,000 shots the Professional Photographer has to choose &amp; edit the final 200-400 (as to the contract you agree to)</font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Labour: There is no way a wedding can be shot with just 1 cameraman. There will be a need for a 2nd, 3rd or even a fourth cameraman and an assistant. The gear can get heavy and using some of the equipment will need an assistant e.g. reflector, slave flash, light diffuser etc. Many Photographers avoid taking weddings at first &amp; even as the lead photographer because they know of the physical &amp; mental demand it requires.</font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Transport: For the Professional to come to the meeting to plan the wedding he/she used a mode of transport. For the Professional to attend &amp; shoot the complete the wedding he/she used a mode of transport. Professionals prefer using their own transport for logistical reasons.</font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Food: For a serious Professional Photographer, in the planning stages they know how tedious &amp; busy weddings are so they have to plan to eat a serious meal &amp; early enough. plus they have to be properly hydrated. Yes you may say there is food at the wedding, but in the morning the photographer has to be @ the Brides/Grooms homes during preparation..then later they have to be on their toes. Who will take that would have been the PERFECT shot when the photographer is holding a Chapati in one hand and a plastic plate in the other? Serious meals for the TEAM are costed in their planning. </font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Insurance: The Professional Photographer is like any other  entrepreneur. The equipment they are using is really expensive and has to be insured. The Professional&#39;s Health &amp; Life also has to be insured. A client dropped a lense of mine &amp; broke it &amp; it was a small lense &amp; a new one is worth 30,000/=. I have to replace that lense now &amp; sadly it wasnt insured. Imagine the pain if a professional photographer&#39;s gear worth 150,000 was damaged or stolen during the wedding? It is a Painful scenario. There are lenses which cost as much as KES 1,000,000/= . Surely the professional photographer has to consider costing it int he bill for the assignment. Look at this story of a Photojournalist who lost a lense during a football match in Turkey <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2012/05/16/saving-the-canon-400mm-f2-8/" target="_blank">http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2012/05/16/saving-the-canon-400mm-f2-8/</a></font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Depreciation: Every time a DSLR camera&#39;s shutter is clicked its lifespan reduces that is why it is best to avoid buying a used camera from a Professional Photographer &amp; buy from an amateur. The Professional is aware at sme point he/she has to replace their equipment. so in his/her mind they very well know after 5/6 years they willl have to replace equipment worth 250,000-500,000. </font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Upgrade: The Professional Photographer is a Businessman. He/She is fully aware they will need to upgrade or purchase new additional equipment to enable them to be more creative. It will make no sense to be a Professional Photographer &amp; you still have 1 camera &amp; a flash 10 year after one started out. Where is a studio &amp; lighting kit, where is the reflector, where are the slave flashes, where are the soft boxes, where is the etc etc etc.</font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Training: Professional Photographers are fully aware that they are not perfect. Again its like any other profession. They have to undertake constant training &amp; with some of the courses do cost quite a sum of money. </font></li>


</ol></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Common Photography misconceptions</b></font></div><div><ol><li>


<font face="tahoma, sans-serif">The Better the Camera the better the picture: Skill, Creativity, Observation, training, PASSION &amp; HARD WORK comes first before the camera. I have a fellow friend photographer who concentrates on iPhone Photography &amp; he takes way better shots than many people I know. There are photos taken by my fellow professionals &amp; enthusiast with Point &amp; Shoots &amp; they will blow you away. If you have an EXPENSIVE CAMERA with a LONG LENSE to shoot a wedding, trust me WE PROFESSIONALS WILL LAUGH AT YOU! There are many elements to look into when taking a photo e.g. aperture value, lighting, shutter speed, ISO, Composition, Subject etc etc. Hard work is mandatory for some of us will tell u stories like for when I wanted spectacular photos of Mt. Kenya I had to prepare a days before, identify location of the shoot take test shots, look at the weather pattern &amp; the estimated sunrise time then wait for the final day. On the final day I woke up wake up @ 5am walked in the dark, set-up tripod &amp; camera waiting for 6am-6.30am for the perfect shots. This was done with knowledge I was in an open place where wild animals lark. So trust me, to get THE SHOT it really takes HARD WORK &amp; PASSION among other.</font></li>


<li><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">High End Professional photographers are too busy to work: A Professional Photographer should be aware each client is special and they have to assign adequate time to the client. Some of fellow professionals who I am close with take only 1 wedding or 2 weddings a month only because they are aware of the intensity of the work. </font></li>


</ol></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I have used the term PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER so many times to emphases a point. We are tired of being called &quot;Paparazzi&quot; or &quot;Mtu wa Picha&quot;. I could go on &amp; on &amp; on.... but I hope these few pointers shall help clarify some misconceptions.</span></div>


<div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">BUT PLEASE LOOK AT ONE&#39;S PORTFOLIO BEFORE DECIDING AND LOOK AT THE SMALL THINGS TOO. If the Professional Photographer is late for a scheduled meeting please take it seriously. That could mean there is a possibility it is a habit &amp; may intrude in the wedding day photography plan e.g. will he/she reach early enough when the bride is preparing etc etc.</font></div>


<div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">If you have a query about photography please feel free to ask.  </font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font>Thank you.</div>


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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">leaning more towards the cannon 60D... the D3100 is hardly an upgrade from the D60. ;-) any luck with the cannon?<div>


<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, <a href="tel:2012" value="+9722012" target="_blank">2012</a> at 1:07 PM, Kevin Mutuma <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kkmtumah@gmail.com" target="_blank">kkmtumah@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">@ Collins, I can hook you up. New or used? At the moment got D3100. Check out the reviews. Very on top of its game for an Entry level DSLR.<div>



<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, <a href="tel:2012" value="+9722012" target="_blank">2012</a> at 12:56 PM, Collins Areba <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com" target="_blank">arebacollins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">and while were at it... Who knows where to get affordable (compared to ebay / amazon) enrty level / semi pro DSLRs like the D7000 or the rebel t3i<div>




<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, <a href="tel:2012" value="+9722012" target="_blank">2012</a> at 1:00 AM, Jac <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jack.gathoni@gmail.com" target="_blank">jack.gathoni@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think it all depends with the environment\ambiance and the creativity of the photographer. I agree with you that if you have a good camera you can take better photos than that guy who is charging crazy figures. I have experienced this before where I was able to take nice photos with my 8MPX camera than a professional who had a very big Camera with those crazy lenses. Again if you go for those very big photographers, they might not have time to select and Photoshop ur pictures to details because they are simply very busy.<div>






<br></div><div>Best<div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, <a href="tel:2012" value="+9722012" target="_blank">2012</a> at 9:42 PM, James Mutuku <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listmutuku@gmail.com" target="_blank">listmutuku@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>





<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It&#39;s never about the camera nor the cs6. it&#39;s about the camera man/woman<br>
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&gt; HAHA it the special moments you want captured or you intend to venture in<br>
&gt; the business. It for you to decide. but you can check <a href="http://www.benkiruthi.com" target="_blank">www.benkiruthi.com</a>. i<br>
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