@ Kiania i think to water down the conversation to an affront on Apple is unfair to the well thought out arguments on this thread. The issue here at least as i percieve it is the economic model that allows employee exploitation. There are two levels to this. The Macro level being how global economics encourage employee exploitation and the Micro level of how Apple and many other manufacturers are individually responsible for this. Hec how we are all individually responsible. We cant be whistling dixie while people are suffering . Their is some collective responsibility involved. While you are right on the suicide, for me that is a sideshow. We are trying to fix the disease not the symptom. And the disease is the fact that capitalism demands that business return a profit cut costs at whatever cost within the confines of the law. That bloodthirsty lust for profit must be tempered if workmans dignity is to be maintained. There are certain costs at which profit will make you lose sleep at night A caveat also is that it is too simplistic to assume that the suicides are caused by the working conditions. It might have the straw that broke the camels back, but their is usually a multiplicity of issues underlying such a drastic action. Kingz For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela > ----- Original message ----- > From: "David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd" > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Suicides at iPad factory in China revealed, Something rotten at Apple's core? > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:51:44 +0300 > > >Sorry to spoil your lynching party but I fail to see the direct > correlation between Apple and the suicides. Off the blocks lemme be > first to say that suicide is a very personal decision and one of the > most selfish (Sorry for anyone who gets hurt by this expression, I > have dealt with this matter at a personal level). In China and Japan > it's considered a matter of honour. > > A person decides that having no life at all is better than the life he > has. How in the world does that link up to Apple and why should they > take the blame for such a choice? Is the product they make enough to > apportion blame to them. Can we blame Toyota for manufacturing a car > that someone uses to drive over a cliff? > > Some perspective people. My thoughts ...
Kiania D. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Rad! wrote: The unfortunate elephant in the room is that nobody really cares about > > the welfare of outsourced labour as long as they deliver > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Joram Mwinamo > > wrote: > >> Digital is the new sweatshops...... > >> People should hang for exploiting others so that they can become bigger than > >> microsoft.... > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > > -- > > [Asentric Consulting Ltd] > If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no > matter what his birth .... > > -Richest Man in Babylon > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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