>
> @William,
>
> I flatly disagree with you on the cloud intoxication thing. I am not an
> expert on exchange/mdaemon but I have seen many corporates in my line of
> work (financial services, i.e. banks, etc) go with google apps or office
> 365.
>
> They sat down and realized that maintaining exchange servers, worrying
> about upgrades, both hw and sw is not their line of business. So they
> subscribe to google/office. Problem solved.
>
> Same goes for issue tracking s/w, CRMs, ERPs, you name it.
>
> Were it not for the sensitivity of the data and few other reasons, I am
> sure banks would be going to the cloud for their core banking systems
> (thereby rendering me jobless).
>
> So it's not a fad. It's a reality that makes lots of sense.
>
Nobody said its a fad. Its just that, I have noticed whenever someone asked any question here, your answers are always the same, cloud.
Not all thing fit the cloud as you say, so disregarding someone effort in their exercise and pointing them to cloud is a sign the cloud has become a hammer to which you use for any problem that come your way.
Muriithi
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:42 PM, William Muriithi <
> william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "
> > > I'll give my standard answer which is that installing software like this
> > is
> > > becoming increasingly niche.
> > >
> > Ah, I see you have been intoxicated by the 'cloud'. Don't blame you, look
> > like a lot of people have, but fortunately not majority.
> >
> > The most funny was HP going with salesforce. That was retarded for two
> > good reasons:
> >
> > 1) How do they expect other people to trust you to provide services if
> > they can't even manage their shit? It create a wrong perception in my
> > opinion.
> > 2) Its financially expensive long run. Think of it for a second. They pay
> > per account for thousands of employees annually. I see no way they could
> > spend that kind of money if they invested initially to buy hardware and
> > necessary software and then have 5 guys run that gig. For a company in
> > financial distress, that would be a prudent thing to do.
> >
> > There are reasons why cloud is not a good solutions always. Security
> > being one. If you are in health industry, you better not put you stuff on
> > Google etl, since NSA is going to be poking around them. That might be a
> > problem if the industry you are in have laws that don't entertain that
> > activities.
> >
> > That being said, cloud is good for small start up business. They don't
> > have the skills, or resources to manage their shit. And the cloud is cheap
> > if you are small. Okay there is exceptions like google don't charge schools
> > however big they are, so financial issues don't factor in for that industry
> > .
> >
> > > Instead, the two best options are Google Apps (which I favor) and Office
> > > 365.
> > >
> > > The only reasons I can think of to not use one of those would be remote
> >
> > A mail server that's not connected on the internet? Ok, now that I think
> > of it again, may be a good idea. You would still need another smtp that's
> > well connected and then schedule fetchmail to pick the mails from your
> > remote location.
> >
> > > locations without always-on Internet or for organizations that feel
> > > strongly about open source solutions where they have full control.
> > >
> > 100% agree. And this is where I suggest postfix. Postfix is not a exchange
> > replacement, but petty good in cleaning up the junk before forwarding then
> > to exchange. There don't seem to be a groupware that match exchange, so if
> > users demand those functionality, you are stuck with that beast.
> >
> > Which make me wonder, isn't it a bit tricky that their is no alternative
> > to exchange active sync? That's one place where Microsoft do currently have
> > monopoly and kind of worrying.
> > > -Adam
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
> >
> > You in cloud business? That could explain your argument. Not that's
> > wrong, but I see where you are coming from.
> >
> > > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
> >
> > > More Musings: varud.com
> > > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
> > >
> > >
> > William
> > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Jimmy,
> > > >
> > > > I believe it all depends on what you want - the features. The last
> > time I
> > > > used MDaemon is way back, but I have just read the features of the
> > newer
> > > > versions <http://goo.gl/mRV18P>and I am very impressed.
> >
> > > > Because most users use Outlook, the real issues you'll be looking at
> > > > relate to integration with Outlook - thinks like OOO and Calendering,
> > which
> > > > I believe still require plugins to work with MDaemon.
> > > > I am still tempted to compare the two SxS<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers>,
> >
> > > > but last time I checked, the only annoyance I had with Exchange was the
> > > > nature of the message store (or whatever it is called). MDaemon used
> > > > Maildir format while Exchange used this funny container like Outlook
> > and me
> > > > being so much pro-OSS, could not stand that obscurity. Everybody who
> > had a
> > > > problem with Exchange was always talking about the message store!
> > > >
> > > > Okay, I think I am the wrong person to comment about this ranking
> > > > question. I feel biased:)
> > > > I'll say forget the ranking and look at the features you want, how
> > easily
> > > > it integrates so that you don't spend all your time managing the
> > server and
> > > > how easily you can recover in case of a disaster. Depends on you
> > knowledge,
> > > > and environment too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 15 February 2014 08:25, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Guys
> > > >> Can someone compare the above 2 products? Which one would rank higher?
> > > >>
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