Jacob, thnks. The idea was to create a free kenyan sim, so students would have a choice of international freeware and local freeware. The build was to be done to compete on the same level as the int'l ones, would have involved kenyan network persons. This process would have served a reminder to the ones just joining training centres that things can be done locally therefore inspirational. Luckily for me, the lack of input I got actually gave me a further understanding that kenyans have a very looong loong way to go to even use any free software done locally under the justification that it already exists. I took this knowledge with me on my recent trip and after discussing with friends surprisingly some of my ideas have a better chance in other time zones. Now am already starting to do some work on creating an free online basic crm system to be used by home-office types while also building a free catalogue system for possible hosting companies. The challenge to badge KE on software remains a goal, for now the goal posts have shifted again. :-)