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> <quote>
> Apple is a huge company and I dare say that they will take action sooner
> rather than later.
> </quote>
> BP is a HUGE company too. They have yet to take any serious action, And
> the damage keeps getting worse.
> Corporations have not been known to take responsibility - simply because
> they can get away with it.
> <you may be right, i may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're
> looking for>
> <moto.b>
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> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Eva Kimathi <
evakimathi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That we do not pay the maid 15-40k does not make the incident less
> > tragic. I think that as much as the bottom line counts, human life
> > should be guarded. I think that they try and ensure the companies to
> > whom they outsource are responsible, otherwise they might end up
> > losing in the long-run. Same case with the blood diamonds.
> >
> > Now that Apple has learned of these occurences, I am curious as to how
> > they will respond. Apple is a huge company and I dare say that they
> > will take action sooner rather than later.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Rad! <
conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think guys here need to be realistic.
> > >
> > > Foxconn are a company to whom production of Apple & other
> > > manufacturer's products are outsourced. The reason they were chosen
> > > is in addition to technical ability was cost.
> > >
> > > Foxconn employees are therefore not Apple employees. In fact all
> > > these companies that oursource do not care about the welfare of the
> > > actual people doing the work. As far as they are concerned this
> > > welfare is the responsibility of Foxconn.
> > >
> > > Lots of us outsource things like cleaning of our houses, cooking,
> > > security etc. We pay these people (maids, watchmen, washer women,
> > > etc) peanuts. We expect them to take care of themselves while not
> > > directly washing/cleaning/performing services for us.
> > >
> > > Why do we suddenly care for Foxconn employees and ignore the welfare
> > > of those right under our noses? Why are we outraged over these
> > > conditions and yet we pay that maid 5k a month?
> > >
> > > How different is that situation from this?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:02 PM, aki <
aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think you are generalizing the problem. Apple's heavy appetite
> > > > for its fashionable succesful lineup could be main cause of the
> > > > deaths. There are many who earn the same wages in that plant and
> > > > for someone to commit suicide, you must take way their
> > > > passion/ability to live by degrading them to that of a robot level
> > > > despair in life. Saying we seek cheaper equipment is not true. How
> > > > cheap are Apple products compared to others? Also look at the
> > > > profitability of Apple sales, from 50% to 89% depending on the
> > > > segment.
> > > >
> > > > Apple's revenues are running into billions while the worker at the
> > > > factory is getting paid a miserable US cents 0.3 per hour for
> > > > skilled labour? For any of the devices to pass quality control and
> > > > where any human inspection is necessary, that wage is too low.
> > > > No wonder the west dominates on wealth distribution.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, when did you ever hear of someone jumping off the safaricom
> > > > building? The Queen Bee is not that ruthless.... :-)
> > > >
> > > > Me thots.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Philip Musyoki
> > > > <
pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I think the deplorable conditions at Foxconn can be attributable
> > > > > to
> > > > poor
> > > > > management and working conditions. I think people will tend to
> > > > > pick on
> > > > Apple
> > > > > more as a symbol of their frustrations than as a cause. People
> > > > > who
> > > > commit
> > > > > suicide will commit suicide whether assembling an iPad, and HP
> > > > > computer
> > > > or a
> > > > > Safaricom solar mobile phone.
> > > > >
> > > > > The main cause is the drive for cheap manufacturing, pushing all
> > > > > manufacturing jobs to China. The likes of Foxconn seek cheap
> > > > > labour,
> > > > which
> > > > > they underpay for, and create unacceptable working conditions. I
> > > > > guess
> > > > we
> > > > > are all as guilty as Foxconn, Apple, HP and the like. We seek
> > > > > cheaper equipment without caring their impact on those who toil
> > > > > to make them
> > > > and the
> > > > > conditions they work in.
> > > > >
> > > > > And at USD 130 a month.
> > > > >
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