@Wash, just to go back a bit in time, do you remember the various satellite companies that would want to sell internet bandwidth and when you asked them about teleports they would go blank? These companies were basically VISPs and therefore could not guarantee things on the Hubs and if you took up services, they would keep playing with sat ratios that the Hub facility would seem fit for the day. Something from the distant past... :-) For me personally the important event is this. If Safarciom 1:1 on international routes story is true and that they are seeking the corporate market, then we are seeing Safaricom actually bringing core services. This means they are looking at disposing int'l bandwidth fairly quickly. I did not manage to get the price but as soon as I get it will share. For KDN, the last I heard was that they were offering on 1Mbit pipes as follows : 400USD Seacom and 250USD Teams. I would be thinking of paying 650USD and get them to create redundancy from their gateway. Since I can get two pipes for 650USD and each is 1Mbit, they offer good gateway redundancy. Me thots.