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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] voting on mobile
Software wise, that is the reason why Windoze suffers with security
issues while Linux is an underlying safehouse - The building blocks in
a software matters more than just getting out and making money - IMHO
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Mungai S. Mbugua <
sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:
> @okechukwu, but that is the point right there, we are supposed to
build a
> solution then worry about the security when the need arises.
>
> Banks long ago didn't have security features till when the need arose. In
> Kenya banks now have safes, alarms, cctv, security guards, APs and Police,
> Escort services etc.
>
> Note: all the features above did not come at the same time, right?
>
> My cents.
>
>> @Shadrack - Totally agree with you on seizing the moment, but also that is
>> the reason why most softwares have gaping holes in them, not building, for
>> example, security from the bottom up - IMHO
>>
>> ./Ok3ch
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Shadrack Mwaniki <
>>
shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Odhiambo,
>>> It is very true that Airtel,
then Kencell was given the idea of Mpesa in
>>> early 2002.
>>> I was part of the team that presented the idea. It had come from a S.
>>> africa company that had wanted to do mobile money
>>> Their idea was formed by the fact that money transfer in Kenya was
>>> expensive. They had done a small research and established that
>>> most kenyans sent money via freinds, matutus, buses and most teeliing,
>>> via
>>> post office normal letter which got stolen by posta staff.
>>>
>>> The two guys approach us in IT department and we sold the idea to our
>>> chief who organised for meeting with management.
>>>
>>> The reason the idea was shot down was on the basis of how to manage the
>>> atual cash. When a user wants to deposit cash, he has to go to
>>> the bank. Yet they were the same
banks were the problem we were trying
>>> to
>>> address.
>>>
>>> when one guy suggested partnering with Charity sweepstake to use their
>>> small booths for depost and withdrwals, the whole meeting
>>> went into a chorus about insecurity and the risk involved. One manager
>>> even insinuated how africans will run with the money at the end of day.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the rest is history. I don't know how the idea several years
>>> later
>>> ended into the MJ desk.
>>> He was able to see the picture and ordered that it be implemented. All
>>> the
>>> emerging issues would be sorted out later.
>>>
>>> Lesson:
>>> Innovation requires you focus on the big picture and the state of
>>> success.
>>> Let's deal with the obstacles when they
arise.
>>> I believe many of the issues on the mobile voting can easily be sorted
>>> our
>>> as the idea is developed.
>>>
>>> Modification
>>> Instead of a mobile application, why not have an OCR enabled ballot
>>> papers. The ballot box has a canner that automatically tallies the votes
>>> as
>>> they come.
>>> At the close of voting, all results from each polling station are
>>> automatically tallied at the central tallying centre database
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Shad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Odhiambo Washington <
odhiambo@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List
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>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2012 6:01 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] voting on mobile
>>>
>>> And @Gichingiri's idea becomes "still born"!
>>>
>>> Kenyan's yawa. Instead of trying to nurture/develop an idea you just
>>> shoot
>>> it down?.
>>>
>>> You are all like Celtel (or what was it called then?) who (so I hear)
>>> were
>>> given the M-Pesa idea and they said it CANNOT work.
>>>
>>> BTW, is it really true ama hizo 'zinakuwaga' rumours?? :-)
>>>
>>> I suggest all members of this forum buy the best flowers & chocolates
>>> for
>>> their mates. Shoot that down
too.<LOL>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heppy Furahiday!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 17:57, Kevin Oeba <
oeba.kevin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> Putting the technical aspects aside, alot of factors come into play.
>>>
>>> 1. Does the law allow us to vote through any other means, except through
>>> the ballot ?
>>>
>>> 2. The government may need to budget, plan , etc for this sort of
>>> voting.
>>> Voter education , public awareness.
>>>
>>> 3. Going by the political events in the Kenyan arena, I would propose
>>> you
>>> bring up the issue in the next election.
>>>
>>> Brilliant
idea but I see alot of obstacles along the way...
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Moses Muya <
mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good.But you cannot "imagine" in a vacuum,you have to consider all the
>>> technologies we have.Unless you want to "imagine",write good papers
>>> about
>>> it and leave it at that without implementing it!Most Kenyans have
>>> feature
>>> phones,the only way to implement the system and ensure everyone can use
>>> it
>>> is by using USSD and other like technologies.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 February 2012 17:42, Gichingiri Kuria <
gmail@gichingiri.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, remove the USSD aspect. Imagine a system that is very simple to use,
>>> yet secure and works right. "Imagine" is just the first step...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 February 2012 17:28, Moses Muya <
mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The idea looks brilliant on paper but if you look at the technical
>>> details
>>> you will discover it's not!USSD is not secure enough for this kind of
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 February 2012 17:23, Emmanuel Ochieng
>>> <
emmanuelochieng797@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> @ Gichingiri Kuria, it can work well but consider a scenario where a
>>> Politician gathers a crowd of people and dishes out cash after
>>> confirming
>>> that you voted for him through your mobile phone!!! That will ruin the
>>> whole exercise....
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Gichingiri Kuria
>>> <
gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Since mpesa has worked so well in Kenya, how about we put the next
>>> general
>>> elections on mobile using USSD.
>>>
>>> As you register to vote, you can choose to vote via mobile
and provide
>>> the
>>> number that you will use.
>>> Come election day, prompts will be sent to batches of users to vote.
>>>
>>> If done right, more people will vote and results will be out faster.
>>>
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