@Anthony Very nice,the link was quite helpful.Thanks! @Ty The 'silent sms' sounds like a good option for 'mobile ping'.Nevermind that it would cost at least 1 shilling to 'ping' once! :) But I like the idea behind it and I would be open to pursuing it from that angle.Thanks! @John Thanks for the pointers.I was thinking more in terms of feature phones - where the provision for installing apps doesn't exist.It looks like user privacy is taken care of better on 'non-smart phones'.Imagine all this trouble to find the location of device X and yet if it were a smart phone,a simple 'allow gps location' would do the trick! :( Tell me John,are mobile ip addresses mapped on to mobile numbers i.e 197.176.*.* to 0725****** ? In theory,if I went to Safaricom/Airtel/Orange and gave them one of numbers on their network,would the tell me which ip address is assigned to it at that point(assuming they are dynamic ip adds.) @Gisho and Ty That would be possible but I am informed the MNOs will only release this info to law enforcement agencies. :( Thank you all for the answers! On 6 March 2012 16:09, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:
Better yet, simply pay for a HLR Lookup from companies that sell info for pennies to the dollar. Again your motives come to play.
-ty
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:30 PM, gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote:
Am not sure about this but i think if you have SS7 link there are a number of queries you can make to HLR of the host provider if its not blocked
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:05 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
If it is you can't rely on it. I can guarantee it will be blocked the moment you start using it. I'm thinking you're stuck with apps that users install and allow to share the information. Privacy is/will be a serious issue. Anyway a few apps that I think do what you seem to need ( I'm not too clear on your needs)...
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Since phones by default tell the network where you are, you can do apps that umm use 'ambient social networks' + location. In this case your on phone contacts could be a social network..
oh and a connected data enabled phone can technically be 'pinged'.
Other option is to 'break' gsm if they don't give access:-)
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On 6 Mar 2012, at 01:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure whether this is enabled, especially considering that it can be used by sms spammers...Its a worth a check.
./bernard
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:
If you look at it from a GSM front you will realize you can implement "Silent SMS" to "ping" any user on the SS7 network anywhere in the world. Not sure if this is what you are looking for though. Just a suggestion.
-ty
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com>wrote:
Mose,
More pointers,
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/obtaining-user-location.h...
Regards
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
PLEASE CALL ME.MIGHT WORK.Hehehehehehe.This is call dont try this at home.Am sure its all possible but under special scenarios with special interception equipments
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
> Very well,thanks!The info you have provided will be of great help. > > > On 5 March 2012 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, the information(UP/DOWN) is readily available to law >> enforcement institutions. >> >> Where, >> UP = The line is attached on the network, and this includes its >> location. Location here means its cell ID in Hex. >> >> >> ./bernard >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> What are your intentions for this knowledge, Moses? >>> >>> *Good intentions I assure you!It involves the development of a >>> mobile application.Sorry,I cannot go into the details since that would >>> breach the terms of a certain NDA agreement and I am a coward when it comes >>> to dealing with witty lawyers! :)* >>> >>> I assume what you want to find out is the BTS (signalling towers) >>> that last received the signal of the phone/MSISDN in question. Only law >>> enforcement agencies e.g. NSIS have direct access to lawful interception >>> gateways (which readily have this info in real time)or at least can get the >>> last Cell/site ID(a.k.a cellular triangulation info) of the phone/number >>> via internal anti-fraud telco staff. >>> >>> FYI, cellular triangulation info is not as primitive as you put >>> it. *I was comparing it to GPS,which I would argue is more >>> advanced.* >>> * >>> * >>> Every mobile phone sends this info on initiating a call or while >>> performing hand-overs between BTSs. Tapping this info requires you to >>> intercept and reconstruct a GMSK modulated digital signal, perform some >>> frequency hopping, decode a TDMA/CDMA architecture, A3 key decryption >>> between SIM and Authentication centre/HLR...etc..etc... *The >>> only part I understood here was '...Tapping this info...' ,after that >>> everything sounded like this : ###$%$%^%&%&^*&*(%#$%%^%&^*& ! :) Thank you >>> nonetheless,this gives me a lot to chew on as I research on ways of >>> achieving the stated objectives.* >>> >>> Its an incredibly long shot my friend...Your intentions might be >>> good but I doubt you can get this information. *Yep,my intentions >>> are good(as explained above).From your explanation,I take it that MNOs >>> readily have this information at any given time and the only obstacle that >>> remains is for an individual or organisation to access it,right?* >>> * >>> * >>> *How about the status of a number,is there a way to know whether >>> it's up or down the way you would on an IP network?* >>> >>> On 5 March 2012 14:26, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What are your intentions for this knowledge, Moses? >>>> >>>> I assume what you want to find out is the BTS (signalling towers) >>>> that last received the signal of the phone/MSISDN in question. Only law >>>> enforcement agencies e.g. NSIS have direct access to lawful interception >>>> gateways (which readily have this info in real time)or at least can get the >>>> last Cell/site ID(a.k.a cellular triangulation info) of the phone/number >>>> via internal anti-fraud telco staff. >>>> >>>> FYI, cellular triangulation info is not as primitive as you put >>>> it. >>>> Every mobile phone sends this info on initiating a call or while >>>> performing hand-overs between BTSs. Tapping this info requires you to >>>> intercept and reconstruct a GMSK modulated digital signal, perform some >>>> frequency hopping, decode a TDMA/CDMA architecture, A3 key decryption >>>> between SIM and Authentication centre/HLR...etc..etc... >>>> >>>> Its an incredibly long shot my friend...Your intentions might be >>>> good but I doubt you can get this information. >>>> >>>> ./bernard >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Skunks, >>>>> >>>>> I have two 'stupid' questions. >>>>> >>>>> 1.0 When you want to know whether a host on network is up or >>>>> down you ping it,right?Is there an equivalent on mobile phones?If I want to >>>>> know whether 0725****** is an operational >>>>> number,is there a way of finding out without calling the >>>>> number or calling Safaricom to ask them about it? >>>>> >>>>> 2.0 We know the location of a mobile device can be discovered >>>>> using GPS or Cellular tower triangulation.If,for example,a person is using >>>>> a feature phone then GPS is out of >>>>> question.Is there a way to tap(for lack of a better word) >>>>> into the service provider's triangulation info and send the info to the >>>>> mobile number or store it for other uses?Think of it as >>>>> a primitive navigation system. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone even with remote knowledge of how these two work will be >>>>> of great help to me right now! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Moses Muya. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Moses Muya. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Moses Muya. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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