@Josiah, just adding my opinion and its a general one. :-) BTW, this below is a general comment so no one should take it personally. It just offers a comparison and may help with a bit of reality. - A simple benchmark example : Local innovative centre calls programmers to attend for a hack session. Over 40 attend and work over the weekend on various web systems to create super applications. SkunkWorks KE invites help from programmers/web devs to integrate Web mechanism. Confusion prevails whether it needs voting, a plan or even worse no one jumps in. - A simple benchmark example : Local innovative centre calls for the boot camp. Over 400 attend. Last year Skunksworks KE suggested the boot camp, less than 5 people were keen. I'm mystified. I really am. Why do we wish to portray SkunksWorks KE as a failure ? These are my observations but I hope in the long term contributors will understand where SkunksWorks which is truely an open tech community, has to go. Your choice, your direction. Cheers. :-)