Responses inline : ok, let me throw a spanner into the works! My opinion...:-) I have on very many ocassions shared ideas/ways etc to what the community can do or the number of projects I've openly listed on this list. I remember the thread early last year by Arthur and creating a financial scheme, while Crystal had suggested youth fund initiatives, or others who wanted to create what @Philip and others are discussing on this thread. I think there are many who have started initiatives only to realize that the thread goes to the archives. I know how this feels especially if they are great ideas and worth working. BTW, what happened of the wiki? Just wondering. Plenty of my thread contributions too are just a statistic in the archive. There is also the problem that founders of this list cannot take part in all ideas or other things so it would be too much to expect this. Until they work towards those goals, things will be difficult to move. For the majority, Skunks is a great place to discuss tech stuff and has different views. Sometimes some of us get carried away and want to do something but reality is very different. Some of us are hopeful some things being mentioned here can be a reality. Am so sure a few of the skunks want to be involved in the projects. And as Kiana said, as much as we are busy, there are many students in the forum who are willing to work things through. Like that can be part of their internship and of course we could end up using some big voices who are here, to recommend them after their are done with the project. And no one is to blame for this. Skunks did not start off as a club or ngo so it would be very difficult to create it as one. Politics never cease. But what to do, if that is what is going to get Canaan ( the promised land flowing with code and apps J) then why not? And I think for a long time it will remain what it is. And just so that you do not feel that you are alone on this, 2 of my threads ( ati 2010 devs year, kitu gani? ) are soon heading into the archives. Hehehe... A happy Jamuhuri day tomorrow :-) Rgds. Regards; James Muendo Leerick Office & Tech Supplies P.O Box 28016 - 00200 Nairobi,Kenya. Phone: + 254 725 567 508 gtalk: timrick Skype: tim.rick