If you followed the other thread on "useless opensource, unless you are NASA" , there was some mud-slinging there too. Towards the end of the thread, there is now a clear picture. The problem or issue in KE is not that we do not have the people or such, there is a lack to do more. Today, the ICT situation is very different. Hardware like computers is much more cheaper and accessful than a few years ago. Internet is much better too and people can do gbs' of downloads etc. For the developer, there are no more excuses not to do more. With almost zero investments, they can perform many things. Yet, when you push to ask as to why things are not happening, you hear all sorts of things that are so common to other careers/businesses. We have to accept that we have become an end user society in the dev world but this is a bad thing. This needs to change towards more self creativity and goals.

I'm reading about the MySql thing and guess what. "MySQL Community Edition is a freely downloadable version of the world's most popular open source database that is supported by an active community of open source developers and enthusiasts" are the words that appear on the webpage.

Please tell me which KE dev ( besides Ken Kasina ) you know of that is an active contributor on code? If one has the oppurtunity and the passion to develop, we must and should give back even a line of code. If we cannot even contribute a single line of code towards what we are passionate about, then the "fund me/prize me" thinking will remain. And we shall never have devs actually building full solutions, systems and entering into competitve markets. This has nothing to do with one's financial or social levels. Was Ken Kasina coding from Runda or some upscale comfortable utopian location?

We have a problem and I think we need to try and push push push. That is the least we can do. However, I made a closer on not to comment on the dev issues again. I shall stand by and watch as a fellow dev and pedestrian. :-)