tell em John ... unfortunately the options available to technopreneurs by the sheer tyranny of numbers direct us to trying to stand on the shoulders of the biggest giant in the field... now since you raised up patents and copyrights .... how do we do the do in kenya> 1. What is the process for software developments 2. Do they hold water 3. Is there any recourse on stolen ideas... On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Never , ever create a product or service that is solely dependent on one platform, where you are not the platform owner and the platform owner has no obligation, other than that of their good heart, to keep your product running on their platform, while they have enough money to hire ten times more people than your team, who are ten times smarter, to come up with a product similar to yours thats ten times better and make ten times more money than you. The technology you come up with has to be so good that you can patent it and if they copy, you can sue them for ten times more money than you hoped to make in your life.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
somewhat late to this discussion but came across this:
http://www.techinasia.com/steal-ideas-startups-knowing/
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:57 AM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com>wrote:
To the disturbed start up - "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." ---- Howard Aiken
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I think the notion that the idea is what translates to success is not very smart. Making usable stuff that helps peoples lives does. its the only reason linux on the desktop has not become ubiquitous. Its rather difficult o setup and use if you are not a techie. same with any other ideas that come along. Microsoft had revenue from the word go with windows. Safaricom had revenue with their first call. the margins are another matter all together.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
there is never a unique idea, the question is whats your approach and are you a first mover to enjoy monopoly for the time being before the market floods. If it does floods can you innovate to make business sense and look different from the floods.
Any idea can be stolen but that does not mean that people will not invest.. Just make it tight and keep the trade secrets safe... There will always be something the copycats will miss. always! I think one should act fast, improve on the products , research well and have different scenarios to counter the external forces.
Sometimes our ideas get stolen because we present them raw' there is never anything tangible and for the reason the copiers will fry it on a pan.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, davis waithaka < daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote:
If the idea can be so easily stolen, the VC or PE firm will not invest in it. The question actually should be, if the idea or business can be replicated easily, why would they invest in it?
Davis Waithaka.
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> VC or PE guys don't steal ideas ? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oliver Ndegwa" <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:03:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] “Safaricom stole my idea,” claims > ManyattaRent founder > > > > Of course private equities require a very solid business plan, a set > clientele niche that is tested and a good portfolio on product development > and continuous improvement. > Beyond any reasonable doubts.. The capitalist must see the money, he > must see what you see and so that he cant set his financial goals against > your dreams. > > > Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and have a working system to > affirm your credibility and to show how serious you are. But an idea? a lot > of people will shy away from one! > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Mark, that is true. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Mwangi < mwangy@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > I cringe when venture capital is seen to be the saviour of > enterpreneurs. > > > Money is a challenge yes but it is not what determines a businesses > success. Most startups that I see looking for funding barely have paying > customers. I think showing a revenue stream and potential growth will > interest even commercial banks. but the "free" VC money will only bring > problems and exploitation by the actual owners of the startup, Whoever gave > you the money. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I like what Olive said, about venture capital and private equities. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Boniface < mboteb@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Its as simple as this. I am a manager at Safaricom and my > performance contract has put me on the chopping board for underperforming. > Then a startup who knows a friend who knows I work for Safaricom comes to > me and therein lies my chance to salvage my job. I go for it, implement the > idea with the boss, get a promotion and leave the startup distraught. I > will most likely be in an authoritative position to respond to accusations > once the startup complains. Then I head to the beach. > > > All in a days work. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > by the way.. Who Gives Safaricom any idea!! Its a never ever... > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > I think it is time for 'startups' to consider Venture capital and > private equities. > > > This way we will get in to the right partnerships, well documented > and have bargaining power when it comes to negotiating with Giants. > > > The business department of any company is always looking for award > winning ideas, they will listen to you, think through it as they guide you > to disclose what you have and as soon as they get it. Its just a twist away > and PAP! they are gone. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Antony Kimani < > kimanianthoni@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Give Safaricom Ideas week ... I like that LOL > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM, John Gitau < jgitau@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > > Yes let's have a 'give Safaricom ideas' week. They have the money > the people the platforms and well we have the problems. I started his mail > out as a joke but realized that this could work. Subject line could simply > be [safaricom ideas] .... Like please can I have network in my kitchen or > fiber in my house .... I'd love a flying unicorn too > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:17, matere lusitche < kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am actually giving out my ideas to safaricom for free. 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