Would be interesting to get Peter Muchemi&#39;s feedback .. now that he was/is doing software for SME&#39;s ...<div><br clear="all">--<br>Josiah Mugambi <br><a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html" target="_blank">Samuel Goldwyn</a>  - &quot;I&#39;m willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong.&quot;
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:06 PM, bernard kioko <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bernsoft@gmail.com">bernsoft@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

Peter,<br><br>Without any intention to brag or showoff...let me tell you a story about a previous project i got involved in....<br><br>A couple of years ago, I challenged myself to create Kenya&#39;s first true Travel Distribution system....I felt that it was so hard... that we chose to call it &quot;EasyFlight&quot;. I had some people advise me to build on an existing system...others told me it cant work because international companies like galileo and amadeus are too big.....but i stuck to my opinion....while appearing stubborn....we chose to start from zero...<br>


<br>WIth time.... the system ended up in use by 5 airlines (in kenya), several bus companies(in Kenya)...hotels (in Kenya), etc...plus over 1000 travel agents.......and finally if you dial *711# on your safariocm....or visit <a href="http://www.easytravelpoint.com" target="_blank">http://www.easytravelpoint.com</a> you will see what we have done which the &quot;other&quot; systems havent done yet for Kenya! Oh...and that small system eventually became an independent travel software company .....<br>


<br>Enough of that....but I hope you understand the reason i see a future bigger than OrangeHRM.<br><br>This said, I dont disagree with you. I agree with you on all 3 points. <br><br>Whether to start a fresh or to build on an already existing system is subject to a debate IN THIS CASE.<br>


<br>To base the free payroll on OrangeHRM means a number of things are already decided for me/us. Being a developer i feel i will lose the freedom that a developer needs to make a 5 year plan.... <br><br>Also I am not entirely worried by visibility/market penetration....because if we build a local product and do it well, the usage will go a long way.<br>


<br>Then there is the fact that I strongly want to believe from the start that we are kenyan, building a solution in Kenya, for Kenyan people/businesses (maybe not a strong point but is critical for the drive).<br><br>Finally, just imagine if we build a better product than OrangeHRM......which is actually my goal.....<br>


<br>Needless to say, we will study OrangeHRM and other systems (like any other programmer would do).<br><br>Convinced?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Peter Karunyu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pkarunyu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">Bernard, I still think that building upon a base is easier than starting from scratch due to the following reasons:<br>


1. They have ironed out a lot of small issues e.g choice of PHP design patterns, <a href="http://www.orangehrm.com/wiki/index.php/PHP_Coding_Conventions" target="_blank">coding standards</a>, <a href="http://www.orangehrm.com/wiki/index.php/Development_Process" target="_blank">development process</a> etc<br>



2. They are more visible in terms of <a href="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/13030/53/1/3/" target="_blank">market penetration</a>. <br>3. You don&#39;t have to setup APC or unit tests etc . A lot of decisions have been made for the developer.<br>



<br>Disclaimer: I do not work for orangeHRM :-) I just think its more productive to build upon it than to start from scratch.<div><div></div><div><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM, bernard kioko <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bernsoft@gmail.com" target="_blank">bernsoft@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">No answer from Muthoni yet.......and i still think i would like to start something new.....and grow it to a world level......while solving local problems gradually..... that temptation is overwhelming....also...my target is mainly SMEs.... who have bigger issues dealing with payroll than HRM (many of them dont really even have a true HRM section).<br>




<br>Am I wrong?<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Peter Karunyu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">pkarunyu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
Bernard, how did it go with the payroll module for orangeHRM done by openworld? <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:31 AM, bernard kioko <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bernsoft@gmail.com" target="_blank">bernsoft@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>





</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div>If you read my post the other day, this should not sound new......<br>




<br><br>So the decision to make a free payroll system (geared towards kenyan market) has been made.....a coding team will be put together soon.<br>
<br>We are looking for people with knowledge on payroll processing who are willing to contribute by giving us requirements and testing the same.....mainly on email and chat.<br>
<br>Developers interested (we will mainly use PHP and MYSQL).....please email me directly....<br><br>But even before we start.......we need a name (or codename)........<br><br>Please send in some suggestions......am sure we will credit you in the final product......<br>






<br>Haya.....<br><br>Regards<br><font color="#888888"><br>Kioko<br>
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