Simon...finally!!! so have u purchased the 1841 yet?<br><br>Alvin.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/29/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">Simon Mbuthia</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com">simon.mbuthia@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="q"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Get serious man! we are busy talking about mpls/bgp ... then you drop such a line?<br>
<br>call me whatever activist you call me. but look at this &quot;cisco 1841 with seck9 capability&quot; extract from packet tracer<br>

<br>==<br>Router#sho crypto ?<br>  ipsec   Show IPSEC policy<br>  isakmp  Show ISAKMP<br>  key     Show long term public keys<br>  map     Crypto maps<br>Router#sho crypto <br>% Incomplete command.<br>Router#<br>==<br><br>


does this look like calculus to you?<div><div></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I beg your pardon.. was that directed at me? If so, then forgive me but I don&#39;t remember talking about IPSec and VPN tunnel... I was talking about loading IOS images into a simulated router. And the activist bit.. I think you took it a little too seriously... it was in line with that rat joke. Anyway, sorry for stirring your anger/strong reaction, but I think I thanked all for their input and settled for GNS3. But that doesn&#39;t mean Packet Tracer is bad, in fact, I believe it&#39;s very good. So I hope we are all a happy lot now.</div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Enjoy your lunch :)</div><div><span class="e" id="q_1249fcae863822bf_3"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Simon Mbuthia <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">simon.mbuthia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hehehe... looks like you are an animal right activist, Francis. you really want me to use your toy gun on my rat. I need a bazooka coz I want to load a K9 advanced security image. I realize that dynamips doesn&#39;t support 1800 series, so I obtained an IOS image for a 2691 and a 2600, which I want to try.<div>



<br></div><div>Anyway, thanks guys for your input. I appreciate it.</div><div><div></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/29 francis kamau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kfransys@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kfransys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Yes, it has limitations (like any other software in the world).<br>Well, you load .bin files in dynamips/GNS. ptracer has pre-configured images. In my opinion, &quot;loading IOS bin files to configuring them&quot;  amounts to 1% of the simulator&#39;s functions. <br>




 <br>With packet tracer; you can load a cisco 1841, reload it, cold boot the router, Go shopping to San Francisco and buy an E1 WIC card, remove the faulty card and fix a new one, redistribute your eigrp/ospf routers to another simulator  in a different machine ... Simon, this toy needs a real boy.<br>




<br>regards,<br>frank<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Simon Mbuthia <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">simon.mbuthia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
But doesn&#39;t packet tracer have limited functionality? Can it fully simulate a real router, from loading IOS bin files to configuring them? I doubt, but not so sure...<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">




2009/10/29 francis kamau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kfransys@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kfransys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">No, once you install your paket tracer you are good to go. This is an example of self decompressing image on an cisco1841. If you knew what seck9 means in C1841-ADVIPSERVICESK9-M image, by now you should repent and let me baptize you in the name of &quot;confi t&quot;...<br>






<br>==<br>System Bootstrap, Version 12.3(8r)T8, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)<br>Cisco 1841 (revision 5.0) with 114688K/16384K bytes of memory.<br><br>Self decompressing the image :<br>########################################################################## [OK]<br>






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<br><br><br>Router&gt;en<br>Router#<br>Router#<br>==<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Simon Mbuthia <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">simon.mbuthia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>






<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Wait a minute, do you mean to tell me that I can load an IOS image and fully configure a router in Packet Tracer?<div>






<div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/29 francis kamau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kfransys@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kfransys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">hi <br><br>Hehehe ... for an 1841 router - packet tracer is more than enough. If you have all the time/resources to download the IOS then go for GNS3. Do you have anything specific that you are trying on an 1841 that is not available in packet tracer?<br>








<br>Packet tracer: let us get to command line<br><ul><li>you can do vlans and inter-vlan routing<br></li><li>static routes</li><li>dynamic routing - except BGP </li><li>multilayer switching </li><li>IPsec VPNs</li><li>...</li>








</ul><br>===<br>Router(config)#rout<br>Router(config)#router ?<br>  eigrp  Enhanced Interior Gateway Routing Protocol (EIGRP)<br>  ospf   Open Shortest Path First (OSPF)<br>===<br><br>Why would you call this uzi a toy gun? ... oh ... but a toy gun is dangerous to a toy boy.<br>








<br>For my BSCI I used packet tracer until I reached BGP and Redistribution (used GNS3)<br>If you were talking about anything above 3500 series - then use GNS3.<br><br>kind regards,<br>frank<div><div></div><div>
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Simon Mbuthia <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">simon.mbuthia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Francis,<div><br></div><div>I have been using Packet Tracer for some time... the thing is, it&#39;s a toy gun. A toy gun can&#39;t kill a rat. I downloaded GNS3 though, which I&#39;m struggling to get working, but thanks for the heads up tho ;)</div>









<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/29 francis kamau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kfransys@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kfransys@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
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<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br><br>Why buy a gun to kill a rat? try cisco packet tracer 5.0 or 5.1<br><br>regards<br>frank<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Michuki Mwangi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:michuki.mwangi@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">michuki.mwangi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>










<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Sir,<br>
<br>
You ought to note that Dynagen GNS3 only supports the following<br>
<br>
&quot;As of Dynamips 0.2.8-RC1 and Dynagen 0.10.0 1700, 2600, 3600, 3700, and<br>
7200 routers are emulated.&quot;<br>
<br>
But you could try if you have an 1841 image no guarantees though.<br>
<br>
The other option is to give more details on what you are trying to<br>
achieve on the 1841 - if you want to do the Voice modules i think the<br>
1700 can also do that.<br>
<br>
You will however be limited to the kind of modules you can add on<br>
Dynagen/GNS3 as well. So see its feature lists.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Michuki.<br>
</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
aki wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Simon Mbuthia &lt;<a href="mailto:simon.mbuthia@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">simon.mbuthia@gmail.com</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hey guys,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I am looking for simulation software for the subject router. I wish to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; test an IOS file on a virtual router before making a purchase. Is there such<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; a thing as that? Kind of like a VM equivalent of a router? On google, all I<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; see is Boson and such things... Cisco Cert. Labs etc, which I think are not<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; fully-fledged simulators.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Kindly help. Thanks.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Me.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; Hey Simon, this info maybe outdated as have not used a cisco in years, try<br>
&gt; Cisco Config Maker. Though I never used the IOS stuff on it, it may have the<br>
&gt; facility with the IOS version.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Its a long shot.... :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
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