@John, I&#39;m going to avoid making any &quot;noise&quot; here and will try my best to keep it brief: :-)<div><br></div><div>1) My comment on Open Source Crap created by morons was in response to that Firewall thread. And I&#39;ll not back off this and here&#39;s why. Just because some moron out there has not created a full Open Source project on the Network layer that others can download to install and use does not mean that a solution does not exist. I was pretty surprised when that thread went into the need for programming, when there is no such need. Even you appreciate the fact that it is better to certify on Cisco than on Open Source, yet I can tell you that Open Source like FreeBSD could have easily fixed 50% of the Firewall thread question. Within FreeBSd is a module called PF &amp; ALTQ combined with DPI through the firewall that can handle everything a network needs, yet I did no see any response from the Open Source experts . Even worse, I&#39;ve not seen any local Open Source experts create devices that can be used on the network layer, however others are ready to suggest boxed solutions as an alternative. I have total respect for FreeBSD as its what I used for many things including trying to create 16 port Ethernet IP DSLAMS for Multi-Tenant Internet distribution systems as a networking passion, however this is now almost 4-5 years ago.At that time  I was at the same stage as many Open Source people on this list i.e what can a downloadable software offer me as a solution. Now I look back and am glad I choose another route. Read this paragraph carefully, relate to it and you will see why my comments. </div>
<div><br></div><div>2) Secondly, I must congratulate you on your CCIE achievement. Its no walk in the park and you are a very valuable asset to the network community in KE. For this I must commend you for your excellent efforts. Technology Producers Group will be honoured to have you on-board too. This also goes for all other network engineers, however you all have your own forum too.</div>
<div><br></div><div>3) I always give first option to Skunkworks KE, and this time too I gave it the first option of not only hosting but being the enabler of the new Group. However, I can also move it elsewhere if necessary. </div>
<div><br></div><div>4) If you read in my first posting on this thread, I wrote that any SOFTWARE/HARDWARE/SPECIALIST sectors are welcome to join the Technology Producers Group. This means for any local software development that is whether proprietary or foss, and on whatever language, frameworks are all welcome. What is not welcome is externally developed solutions/systems/software because they would not be able to fit in. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Some thots and corrections welcome.  :-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM, John Gitau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com">jgitau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">if you&#39;re doing it on a separate domain and mailing list then the moderators here have nothing to do, register the domain, start the forum maybe use this list for publicity or don&#39;t considering this here is run on open source crap by a moron<br>

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