@Rad, @Billy. Thanks for sharing your insights too. Client is king and I can now understand how difficult it would be for many to build from scratch given the limited options. So the entire problem is driven by clients and not programmers. I can also understand that clients may not have the budgets to pay for a full scale paid script and solution. We share the same experiences in the network world too. *Correction on my part was definately in order, thanks to those who have straightened the record else I'd under the impression that coders are not doing what they can.* *Freeware is off the hook from me... :-)* As a final clarification, what would be model programming standards in kenya? - Be practical, re-use code and tools to save on time and costs. - Be innovation, provide a one stop gui/graphics/programming/development solution. These items do not have to be inhouse, can be sourced externally. I think now the immediate issues are what Kebs/KICTB come up with. Rgds.