Although I'm not in any way supporting personal besmirching and character assassination, I think Gakuru, you must have hit someone (read the Government and Corporates) below the belt, thus branded  " a spoiler", however this should not deter proponents of fair competition to push for a change in Kenya's telecommunication industry.

Overall, while we are talking about Vision 2030, there seems to be problem when it comes to implement it's achievement. I understand one of the core aspects of Vision 2030, is entrepreneurial development. I wonder how well we are going to breath if the trends continues!



2009/8/16 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
Barrack,

"Louis Otieno Live" show of the week Speaker Marende ruled to chair
House Business Committee would have been different. Paul Kukubo and I
were meant to debate on the show; Paul representing government thus
projecting all the wonderful things fibre would bring to kenya. I was
to play the "Devils Advocate" and bring out all the negatives, such as
prices under this thread, among many others looming. I truly regret
that the show was canceled at the eleventh hour and how I was so
prepared to rubbish many of the false promises made and raise
awareness on unattended aspects... but how politics ever gets first
priority here.

Regards

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Barrack Otieno<otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys healthy debate here, we shouldnt take it at personal level
> though, much as i agree and fully support the strides that have been
> made in the industry under Dr Ndemo's watch some constructive
> criticism is also good so that we remain focused, Fibre is not an end
> in itself as the Media and majority of stakeholders have portrayed it
> is just a means to an end, our problem is cultural, Alex and Walu i am
> interested in knowing the possible socio-political impacts of the
> Fibre and possbile hindrances to its uptake, this is what might
> determine the drop in prices, remember the drop in Mobile phone call
> charges???, we might be channeling our energy in the wrong
> direction...me thinks
>
> On 8/15/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Joseph McDonald<mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> i agree with David,we should try and moderate the tones we use against
>>> each
>>> other.That is the only way people will be able to share freely and we will
>>> all work together to find solutions.
>>
>> Agreed and yes everybody's opinion matters-irrespective of how pro- or
>> anti-establishment that might be. My online history proves that I
>> respect this expression principle.
>>
>> However, "extraordinary situations call of extraordinary measures"-
>> ask Speaker Marende. We should not confuse "calm" with "peace." I ask
>> "How diplomatically can you convey the message here?" When it becomes
>> clearer that infrastructure of continued telecommunications
>> exploitation are being reinforced every day. i.e. what is the most
>> diplomatic alternative word to "lie to" ?
>>
>>> When the KICTANET...started it was very good,all industry players use to
>>> contribute even MJ himself and the PS....a long the way people startted
>>> using language bordering on abuse....the kind of language am starting to
>>> see
>>> on this list.
>>
>> Every online voice is equal- irrespective of who's it is whether MJ's,
>> Bitange's, yours or mine- online democracy. Kictanet is but just one
>> of my lists each driving/propelling different agenda.
>>
>> If any list member would respond to online post if only addressed like
>> "your honour" "your highness" "your richness", "your learnedness",
>> "your techniness" etc then heck I never want to know their "correct"
>> opinions.  I do not subscribe to the school that supposes that some
>> opinion are "first-hand" other "second-hand"
>>
>>> What happened? they pulled off the list.And there lots of people lots the
>>> opportunity to hear different views not from TECHIES alone.
>>
>> Let's focus on internet prices that were continually promised but
>> apparently now will never be.
>> Otherwise we risk confusing issues if not divert attention to the
>> matter at hand.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi all
>>>>
>>>> I think issues about price matrix are not what this issue is about (the
>>>> market oscillation style)this we all know.and we need no lecture on it.
>>>> even a bottle of beer we all know the recommended price but it depends
>>>> with where you are taking it.and what the menu of that particular pub
>>>> says.so you don't complain when paying the bill abit higher bcoz you are
>>>> aware
>>>> however,
>>>> The ps was never forced to give false information,he had all the
>>>> necessary
>>>> dictionaries,techies from all so called market leaders to consult .
>>>> If he had not mentioned about prices coming down nobody would be
>>>> complaining
>>>>
>>>> on this one the fiber optic menu it says prices were to definitely come
>>>> down and not  on condition of this or that .......
>>>>
>>>> in short The PS new what he was talking about and he knows where this
>>>> grey
>>>> hairs are targeting to imprison us.
>>>>
>>>> think about mobi-telea... they knew who they were,those who not apart of
>>>> the deal blew the whistle but they still looted from us and now they are
>>>> just a tale to talk about.
>>>>
>>>> my only worry is who will save us from being imprisoned and exploited
>>>> while the rest of the world life is easier and better  and faster.is it
>>>> bcoz
>>>> their no active CONSUMER ICT RIGHT GROUP here?who can boldly question the
>>>> ICT ministry  or organise a demostration?
>>>>
>>>> however before that ,
>>>> on this one bwana ps you have some clear explanation to do if not then
>>>> stand up and say why not
>>>> all we want is responsibility,
>>>> if you said it,
>>>> do it
>>>> if you cannot
>>>> there is 38+million burning with better and accurate ideas dying to
>>>> willfully make it happen.if only given a chance.
>>>>
>>>> heaven come down on kenya !!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Michuki Mwangi<Michuki@swiftkenya.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Rhetorical question what does it take for us to have cheap/affordable
>>>>> > power,
>>>>> > water, food, cars, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> a "disturbingly" active,vocal and untiring Civil Society - ever
>>>>> after/if the Freedom of Information law one day gets enacted.
>>>>> Otherwise civil rights are taken away bit by bit by whoever the
>>>>> powers-that-be of the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Think of this in an environment where theres ni Govt to start with -
>>>>> > and if
>>>>> > you think having one is a solution then am not on the same page with
>>>>> > you.
>>>>> >
>>>>> Is government a necessary evil?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.debate.org/debates/Government-is-a-necessary-evil-to-protect-the-freedoms-of-human-individuals./1/
>>>>> ( on the assumption that the government is functional)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 14 Aug 2009, at 14:11, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Trust me, replacing Ndemo (Govt), Michael J($afcom)  or Kai
>>>>> >> (KDN) just to name a few of the leading stakeholders will NOT bring
>>>>> >> down
>>>>> >> prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't trust you and count me as diagonally opposed to the notion and
>>>>> interpretation that few self-private interest individuals qualify as
>>>>> "leading stakeholders" - unless according to you they mean more than
>>>>> 38+ million LEADING STAKEHOLDERS in Kenya. Who was it that once dubbed
>>>>> them "industry leaders" ?
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