> NAT is not and has never been a security against sniffing or otherwise.  Nat was a bandaid to extend the ipv4 address space, then people decided it was "safe" due to obscurity but I think that's just laziness and quite a number of people/companies have paid for it. Safaricom as far as I know gives each and every user a public ip securely.
>
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Well said. Its amazing how widespread people mistake NAT for security. I am sometimes curious where this myth originally came from. There must be a book somewhere that may be raised the issue. If you check why most people don't like ipv6, lack of NAT is apparently the biggest problem

William
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> On 5 Sep 2012, at 12:35, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Natting is necessary for administrative reasons like said above sniffing. I noticed most MNOs block
> > standard VPN connections when using Edge/3G networks. You need to understand the core functions
> > of Mobile networks is to provide voice services and Data comes later so providing dedicated data
> > services with static or dynamic public IPs is not a priority.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
> > @Wash,
> >
> > On a different note, what is your experience with Orange especially their 'unlimited plan'?
> >
> > About the NAT issue, maybe they just don't have the public IP space, or they are doing this so that they can sniff on your traffic with deep-packet inspection more effectively. Orders from above. But I am sure they can do this without NAT.
> >
> > Or maybe it is just a temporary solution as they work on their systems.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, since the landing of Orange owned LION2 cable, has anyone noticed any difference using the Orange network?
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> From: gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Beba-beba - the silence is loud
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> NFC just enables retrieving of a unique ID from the tag which is then
> transmitted to the server with any other info for debits or credits via
> cellular network by an app in the phone.
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> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:
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> >
> >
> > The reason it is failing is that the conductors will not be able to make
> > money on the side, since the beba agents are the ones collecting the money.
> > The citi hoppa management should be keen on the beba card. It will help
> > them minimise on the huge losses they incur to the crew handling the money
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication
> >>
> >> *Near field communication* (*NFC*) is a set of standards for smartphones<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone> and
> >> similar devices to establish radio <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio> communication
> >> with each other by touching them together or bringing them into close
> >> proximity, usually no more than a few centimetres. Present and anticipated
> >> applications include contactless transactions, data exchange, and
> >> simplified setup of more complex communications such as Wi-Fi<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> >> . Communication is also possible between an NFC device and an unpowered
> >> NFC chip <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit>, called a "tag
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 September 2012 11:51, Henry Kamabi <hkamabi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> hi Brian,
> >>> NFC...whats the logic...Kindly let me kno..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Brian L <lusiola@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> @Henry
> >>>> it uses NFC
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Henry Kamabi <hkamabi@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> First of all we need to understand Kenyans way of doing things n so
> >>>>> understand kenya's ,market.
> >>>>> I dont know the technology they were using but i gess it gprs or
> >>>>> so..what happens when there is no connection?
> >>>>> USSD would have been appropriate or even predownloaded vouchers of
> >>>>> different denomination.
> >>>>> I talked to one of the guys there n adviced on the same but then he
> >>>>> said this was an already predesigned to work the way it works n no room for
> >>>>> improvement..Wollah...na hii Kenya yetu.
> >>>>> There are a co selling airtel called teleyetu.Its a project that works
> >>>>> in an almost same way and fortunately the manufacturer(PSITEK) of the
> >>>>> devices heeded to the facts on the ground and improved.Seemslike they are
> >>>>> making it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Henry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Was in a Citi Hoppa today where they have scratched out all those
> >>>>>> "Beba" stickers. The conductor, who was busy asking for change, said "sina
> >>>>>> agent" when I asked about the Beba Card.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Beba card is a solution which would have gone very far in helping
> >>>>>> small matatu owners who have no idea how much was collected in their matatu
> >>>>>> and where it is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I also think some Eastlands saccos would have been a better pilot
> >>>>>> such as Double M (Who I hear have quite a number of cases of conductors
> >>>>>> taking off with the days earnings) and maybe others like
> >>>>>> Embassava, which appear to be more disciplined than Hoppa.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hoppa may have been a good pilot to rein in the indiscipline, but the
> >>>>>> problem here is that the crew ganged up against the card. Plus Citi Hoppa
> >>>>>> is already a step towards management.
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