@Moses - I couldn't have said it better, thank you! ./Ok3ch On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Shadrack
WIndows isn't more popular(on the desktop market) than Linux because they ignored security measures but because they made things simpler for the users of their technology,just like the writer of this post seeks to do!I do not agree with you when you say "...As long as you solve a user need, users will be happy to live with minor issues such as security..." especially when the 'Minor Issues' could mean having an eRigged or mRigged president(or at least some political leaders).
I would argue that the model to be used on this should be : Innovate > Deal with challenges e.g Security > Deploy > Improve As opposed to Innovate > Ignore Problems > Deploy > Suffer Consequences > Try to deal with numerous challenges > Loose people's trust > Abandon project due to public pressure(or Civil Society humiliation)! :)
On 13 February 2012 16:50, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Okechukwa, And that is why windows has over 90% markshare of desktops business. While Unix developers are obsessed with security, windows understands that a home user is least concerned with security but geting a solution to a problem
As long as you solve a user need, users will be happy to live with minor issues such as security.
For any system, i believe the first priority is to give a solution to a need/problem/challenge. Second, is to cosider the cost implication of the solution.
Sucurity and other peripheral bottle necks should not form the basis of any solutions. Securing a system is the easiest thing to achieve of all technical aspects of a solution development
I may be wrong though
Regards Shadrack
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Software wise, that is the reason why Windoze suffers with security issues while Linux is an underlying safehouse - The building blocks in a software matters more than just getting out and making money - IMHO
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Mungai S. Mbugua <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:
@okechukwu, but that is the point right there, we are supposed to build a solution then worry about the security when the need arises.
Banks long ago didn't have security features till when the need arose. In Kenya banks now have safes, alarms, cctv, security guards, APs and Police, Escort services etc.
Note: all the features above did not come at the same time, right?
My cents.
@Shadrack - Totally agree with you on seizing the moment, but also that is the reason why most softwares have gaping holes in them, not building, for example, security from the bottom up - IMHO
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Odhiambo, It is very true that Airtel, then Kencell was given the idea of Mpesa in early 2002. I was part of the team that presented the idea. It had come from a S. africa company that had wanted to do mobile money Their idea was formed by the fact that money transfer in Kenya was expensive. They had done a small research and established that most kenyans sent money via freinds, matutus, buses and most teeliing, via post office normal letter which got stolen by posta staff.
The two guys approach us in IT department and we sold the idea to our chief who organised for meeting with management.
The reason the idea was shot down was on the basis of how to manage the atual cash. When a user wants to deposit cash, he has to go to the bank. Yet they were the same banks were the problem we were trying to address.
when one guy suggested partnering with Charity sweepstake to use their small booths for depost and withdrwals, the whole meeting went into a chorus about insecurity and the risk involved. One manager even insinuated how africans will run with the money at the end of day.
Anyway, the rest is history. I don't know how the idea several years later ended into the MJ desk. He was able to see the picture and ordered that it be implemented. All the emerging issues would be sorted out later.
Lesson: Innovation requires you focus on the big picture and the state of success. Let's deal with the obstacles when they arise. I believe many of the issues on the mobile voting can easily be sorted our as the idea is developed.
Modification Instead of a mobile application, why not have an OCR enabled ballot papers. The ballot box has a canner that automatically tallies the votes as they come. At the close of voting, all results from each polling station are automatically tallied at the central tallying centre database
Regards Shad
------------------------------ *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
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And @Gichingiri's idea becomes "still born"!
Kenyan's yawa. Instead of trying to nurture/develop an idea you just shoot it down?.
You are all like Celtel (or what was it called then?) who (so I hear) were given the M-Pesa idea and they said it CANNOT work.
BTW, is it really true ama hizo 'zinakuwaga' rumours?? :-)
I suggest all members of this forum buy the best flowers & chocolates for their mates. Shoot that down too.<LOL>
Heppy Furahiday!!
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 17:57, Kevin Oeba <oeba.kevin@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
Putting the technical aspects aside, alot of factors come into play.
1. Does the law allow us to vote through any other means, except through the ballot ?
2. The government may need to budget, plan , etc for this sort of voting. Voter education , public awareness.
3. Going by the political events in the Kenyan arena, I would propose you bring up the issue in the next election.
Brilliant idea but I see alot of obstacles along the way...
Kind regards,
Kevin
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Good.But you cannot "imagine" in a vacuum,you have to consider all the technologies we have.Unless you want to "imagine",write good papers about it and leave it at that without implementing it!Most Kenyans have feature phones,the only way to implement the system and ensure everyone can use it is by using USSD and other like technologies.
On 10 February 2012 17:42, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
Ok, remove the USSD aspect. Imagine a system that is very simple to use, yet secure and works right. "Imagine" is just the first step...
On 10 February 2012 17:28, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
The idea looks brilliant on paper but if you look at the technical details you will discover it's not!USSD is not secure enough for this kind of work.
On 10 February 2012 17:23, Emmanuel Ochieng <emmanuelochieng797@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
@ Gichingiri Kuria, it can work well but consider a scenario where a Politician gathers a crowd of people and dishes out cash after confirming that you voted for him through your mobile phone!!! That will ruin the whole exercise....
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
Hi all,
Since mpesa has worked so well in Kenya, how about we put the next general elections on mobile using USSD.
As you register to vote, you can choose to vote via mobile and provide the number that you will use. Come election day, prompts will be sent to batches of users to vote.
If done right, more people will vote and results will be out faster.
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