@Ty I would only go for legal ways of achieving these two objectives.I doubt that any MNO will appreciate a person 'breaking' into their network in the name of pursuing a worthy cause! :) Then of course there is the ethical part,there are many things that a I.T/Telecoms professional can do but that does mean they should do them! :) On 7 March 2012 11:24, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:
Well Moses, Granted that maybe so but flaws in the very nature of GSM allow anyone with the right equipment (some very basic by the way) to perform a whole spectrum analysis.. :-)
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Bernard
Awesome!Thanks for the feedback!That is one more piece of the puzzle in its correct place...
On 6 March 2012 18:58, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
" are mobile ip addresses mapped on to mobile numbers i.e 197.176.*.* to 0725****** ? " Yes they are. Both dynamically or statically.
The dynamic IP address<> Mobile Number mapping at a point in time can be retrieved. Bear in mind, the dynamic IP pool allocation can be almost immediate. Static IP address<> Mobile Number can be obtained at any time, for as long as the number is still active and has not been deleted.
./bernard
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Anthony
Very nice,the link was quite helpful.Thanks!
@Ty
The 'silent sms' sounds like a good option for 'mobile ping'.Nevermind that it would cost at least 1 shilling to 'ping' once! :) But I like the idea behind it and I would be open to pursuing it from that angle.Thanks!
@John
Thanks for the pointers.I was thinking more in terms of feature phones - where the provision for installing apps doesn't exist.It looks like user privacy is taken care of better on 'non-smart phones'.Imagine all this trouble to find the location of device X and yet if it were a smart phone,a simple 'allow gps location' would do the trick! :( Tell me John,are mobile ip addresses mapped on to mobile numbers i.e 197.176.*.* to 0725****** ? In theory,if I went to Safaricom/Airtel/Orange and gave them one of numbers on their network,would the tell me which ip address is assigned to it at that point(assuming they are dynamic ip adds.)
@Gisho and Ty
That would be possible but I am informed the MNOs will only release this info to law enforcement agencies. :(
Thank you all for the answers!
On 6 March 2012 16:09, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:
Better yet, simply pay for a HLR Lookup from companies that sell info for pennies to the dollar. Again your motives come to play.
-ty
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:30 PM, gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote:
Am not sure about this but i think if you have SS7 link there are a number of queries you can make to HLR of the host provider if its not blocked
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:05 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
> If it is you can't rely on it. I can guarantee it will be blocked > the moment you start using it. I'm thinking you're stuck with apps that > users install and allow to share the information. Privacy is/will be a > serious issue. Anyway a few apps that I think do what you seem to need ( > I'm not too clear on your needs)... > > Instagram > Pinterest > Sonar > Ban.jo > > Since phones by default tell the network where you are, you can do > apps that umm use 'ambient social networks' + location. In this case your > on phone contacts could be a social network.. > > oh and a connected data enabled phone can technically be 'pinged'. > > Other option is to 'break' gsm if they don't give access:-) > > Sent from my iPad > > On 6 Mar 2012, at 01:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: > > Not sure whether this is enabled, especially considering that it can > be used by sms spammers...Its a worth a check. > > ./bernard > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If you look at it from a GSM front you will realize you can >> implement "Silent SMS" to "ping" any user on the SS7 network anywhere in >> the world. Not sure if this is what you are looking for though. Just a >> suggestion. >> >> -ty >> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Mose, >>> >>> More pointers, >>> >>> >>> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/obtaining-user-location.h... >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> PLEASE CALL ME.MIGHT WORK.Hehehehehehe.This is call dont try this >>>> at home.Am sure its all possible but under special scenarios with special >>>> interception equipments >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very well,thanks!The info you have provided will be of great >>>>> help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 March 2012 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, the information(UP/DOWN) is readily available to law >>>>>> enforcement institutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where, >>>>>> UP = The line is attached on the network, and this includes its >>>>>> location. Location here means its cell ID in Hex. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ./bernard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What are your intentions for this knowledge, Moses? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Good intentions I assure you!It involves the development of >>>>>>> a mobile application.Sorry,I cannot go into the details since that would >>>>>>> breach the terms of a certain NDA agreement and I am a coward when it comes >>>>>>> to dealing with witty lawyers! :)* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I assume what you want to find out is the BTS (signalling >>>>>>> towers) that last received the signal of the phone/MSISDN in question. Only >>>>>>> law enforcement agencies e.g. NSIS have direct access to lawful >>>>>>> interception gateways (which readily have this info in real time)or at >>>>>>> least can get the last Cell/site ID(a.k.a cellular triangulation info) of >>>>>>> the phone/number via internal anti-fraud telco staff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI, cellular triangulation info is not as primitive as you >>>>>>> put it. *I was comparing it to GPS,which I would argue is >>>>>>> more advanced.* >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> Every mobile phone sends this info on initiating a call or >>>>>>> while performing hand-overs between BTSs. Tapping this info requires you to >>>>>>> intercept and reconstruct a GMSK modulated digital signal, perform some >>>>>>> frequency hopping, decode a TDMA/CDMA architecture, A3 key decryption >>>>>>> between SIM and Authentication centre/HLR...etc..etc... *The >>>>>>> only part I understood here was '...Tapping this info...' ,after that >>>>>>> everything sounded like this : ###$%$%^%&%&^*&*(%#$%%^%&^*& ! :) Thank you >>>>>>> nonetheless,this gives me a lot to chew on as I research on ways of >>>>>>> achieving the stated objectives.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its an incredibly long shot my friend...Your intentions might >>>>>>> be good but I doubt you can get this information. *Yep,my >>>>>>> intentions are good(as explained above).From your explanation,I take it >>>>>>> that MNOs readily have this information at any given time and the only >>>>>>> obstacle that remains is for an individual or organisation to access >>>>>>> it,right?* >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> *How about the status of a number,is there a way to know >>>>>>> whether it's up or down the way you would on an IP network?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 March 2012 14:26, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What are your intentions for this knowledge, Moses? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I assume what you want to find out is the BTS (signalling >>>>>>>> towers) that last received the signal of the phone/MSISDN in question. Only >>>>>>>> law enforcement agencies e.g. NSIS have direct access to lawful >>>>>>>> interception gateways (which readily have this info in real time)or at >>>>>>>> least can get the last Cell/site ID(a.k.a cellular triangulation info) of >>>>>>>> the phone/number via internal anti-fraud telco staff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FYI, cellular triangulation info is not as primitive as you >>>>>>>> put it. >>>>>>>> Every mobile phone sends this info on initiating a call or >>>>>>>> while performing hand-overs between BTSs. Tapping this info requires you to >>>>>>>> intercept and reconstruct a GMSK modulated digital signal, perform some >>>>>>>> frequency hopping, decode a TDMA/CDMA architecture, A3 key decryption >>>>>>>> between SIM and Authentication centre/HLR...etc..etc... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Its an incredibly long shot my friend...Your intentions might >>>>>>>> be good but I doubt you can get this information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ./bernard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Moses Muya < >>>>>>>> mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skunks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have two 'stupid' questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1.0 When you want to know whether a host on network is up >>>>>>>>> or down you ping it,right?Is there an equivalent on mobile phones?If I want >>>>>>>>> to know whether 0725****** is an operational >>>>>>>>> number,is there a way of finding out without calling >>>>>>>>> the number or calling Safaricom to ask them about it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2.0 We know the location of a mobile device can be >>>>>>>>> discovered using GPS or Cellular tower triangulation.If,for example,a >>>>>>>>> person is using a feature phone then GPS is out of >>>>>>>>> question.Is there a way to tap(for lack of a better >>>>>>>>> word) into the service provider's triangulation info and send the info to >>>>>>>>> the mobile number or store it for other uses?Think of it as >>>>>>>>> a primitive navigation system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone even with remote knowledge of how these two work will >>>>>>>>> be of great help to me right now! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moses Muya. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moses Muya. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Moses Muya. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Memusi >>>> >>>> Communication is vital in this century.... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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