@Aki Have u considered using  the 960 grid framework  http://960.gs


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki.

Happy independence day to you! and all Skunks alike.

I'd like to give my two cents from my experience with the HTML development platform regarding tables and CSS. At first reluctance was a very strong factor for me too.

My research had similar outlooks to yours but there's a number of ways to look at your dillema.

Let's look at working with for example PHP. Definitions within your CSS file will allow for quicker workflows within a PHP Framework which brings you more layout options. Directly related to tables however because that's what you initially asked :

Seeing as how you're looking at working on a fixed layout, i suggest getting a CSS Framework that does just that. I have been battling with what would be similar to Tables in CSS and the Div tag works beautifully if implemented correctly. In most cases, it's even more powerful and better placed than a table. I know that may seem rather odd to say but it has been my personal opinion for a while.

i work with an elastic framework that is the 52 framework it's beautiful. It allows full flexibility. it's based on the new HTML 5 and CSS3 layout options but can be used as a simple barebone for CSS.

check it out here: 52framework.com/

Hope this helped.

the Green Watchman.


On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
On your question about centering content, you could also try applying
css padding. About CSS being a "bloody waste of development time",
well .. thats like saying writing code is a bloody waste of
development time :-).
You will discover it yourself in due time; write your current app with
tables, nested tables, &nbsp;'s, spacer gif's and the works.
Naturally, you will want to sort out a few bugs, make a few
modifications add a few enhancements na kadhalika, it is then that you
will begin to realise that what little convenience tables gave with
the right hand they quickly took away with the left.

The decision to never (note: not "not") use tables is mostly arrived
at by the programmer himself/herself after having been through a
maintenance hell - mostly of his very own code!

On 12/12/2010, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks @Dennis, I had a look at that and other links too, somehow อ'm
> still come away with the understanding that CSS is not worth the efforts.
> Its a " bloody waste " of precious development time and just for the sake
> of cosmetics in my understanding so far. However, am keeping my options open
> and will continue to research more. Me amatuer thots, on the side of html.
> :-)
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think using too many &nbsp; breaks with IE ignoring most of them.
>> We create HTML tables, but modify the way they look using CSS, ie
>> the colour of the tables, the borders and the spacing
>>
>> AKi, this may be a bit useful as a well organised reference for what you
>> are doing http://www.w3schools.com/css/
>>
>
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