Joomla is not bad...i just think it should be used by those who know how to use it. Locally it has been abused. It has turned programmers/webdevs lazy.... infecting IT n00bs in the process. The n00bs inturn dash for joomla after landing a web design job. One day one of them decided to install joomla on their local wamp setup, then when it was all done, uploaded the site to the host.......plus all the themes and plugins that were tried out..... all 45+ megabytes of it and all that done on a November 2010 ERA Orange modem connection. The n00b had to leave its laptop in the office overnight. By A.M when it was done uploading, it naturally failed to work and all responsibility was vested in me to fix the frikin problem and like a gentleman i did but after educating her on the benefits of using CSS+HTML+GFX... especially for simple sites. One week later history repeated itself....manze dammit.....in thru one ear out the other! I also know some "professional" friends who installed joomla sites but when they were asked to make some changes they went missing...coz :- 1. there was no plugin to do the job 2. the plugin that does the job requires a more recent joomla version (dependancies galore) 3. when they decide to code the feature, they find a php jungle..and since they are lazy they consider it tall order *GROW SOME PROGRAMMING COJONES AND CODE YOUR SITES FROM SCRATCH!*