I have on very many ocassions shared ideas/ways etc to what the community can do or the number of projects I've openly listed on this list. I remember the thread early last year by Arthur and creating a financial scheme, while Crystal had suggested youth fund initiatives, or others who wanted to create what @Philip and others are discussing on this thread. I think there are many who have started initiatives only to realize that the thread goes to the archives. Plenty of my thread contributions too are just a statistic in the archive. There is also the problem that founders of this list cannot take part in all ideas or other things so it would be too much to expect this. Until they work towards those goals, things will be difficult to move. For the majority, Skunks is a great place to discuss tech stuff and has different views. Sometimes some of us get carried away and want to do something but reality is very different. And no one is to blame for this. Skunks did not start off as a club or ngo so it would be very difficult to create it as one. And I think for a long time it will remain what it is. And just so that you do not feel that you are alone on this, 2 of my threads ( ati 2010 devs year, kitu gani? ) are soon heading into the archives. Hehehe... A happy Jamuhuri day tomorrow :-)