@Barrack, Listen to these portions: *The Supreme Court has recommended the investigation and prosecution of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) officers found culpable in the procurement of the Electronic Voter Identification and the Results Transmission Systems.* Now that is not the same thing as audit of the systems. *It was likely that that the procurement was marked by competing interests involving impropriety or even criminality, according to the judges.* The keyword there is "impropriety". That is what needs to be investigated as you can see below... *“We recommend that this matter be entrusted to the relevant state agency, for further investigation and possible prosecution of suspects," said the ruling.* The Supreme Court then goes ahead and gives technology failure a soft landing: *Electoral technologies, as with all technologies, are rarely perfect, the judges observed as they accepted explanations by the electoral commission.* So while ICT fraternity wants a system audit, IEBC will not allow it unless the Director of Public Prosecutions pushes that into his portfolio as part of the investigations to be carried out. I can bet someone will challenge and block that in court. There being no body that represents ICT fraternity (well, CSoK kinda does, but I am not in the picture about it's legal recognition), it's better to move on and expect manual voting in 2017! Let the 9b crap rot at IEBC. On 16 April 2013 16:47, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/1750012/-/b1tu5p/-/index.html
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Haiya! You go to court. Small advise though - Okiya Okoiti Omtatah may be willing to accompany you.
Actually I meant, "I refuse ...... to prove you wrong.". And as you said, people have moved on.
Martin.
On 16 April 2013 16:15, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash,
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
We have "moved on"!
In one of todays dailies, UNDP offered to fund the audit of IEBC systems on condition that IEBC allows an outside body to participate in the audit process. Guess what? IEBC has refused and only want to audit itself internally. So why worry about what went wrong anyway? Perhaps we need to go to court to seek authority for external audit of IEBC, funded by UNDP of course. I can bet 100% that none of us really cares about that! Prove me wrong.
I refuse! :-)
Martin.
On 16 April 2013 15:01, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
I was hoping someone would post or comment on this link here: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000081518&story_title=Kenya--IT-a...
Martin.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heheee.. It's not only Western Media. Some Kenyan bloggers keen on > being very controversial and very nasty have it too.. > Check out our own (Kenya's) Robert Alai doing his verbal diarrhea > here -> http://lix.in/-c9fe46 > > > > On 7 March 2013 13:59, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote: > >> @ Wash... >> >> Wewe...heshimu Western media...the guys know thea stuff... :-D >> >> Dan O.Kwach. >> >> On 3/7/2013 1:48 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> It's the first time I heard on a p2p VPN requiring a RDBMs to run:-) >> >> >> On 7 March 2013 13:44, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> "The Safaricom Virtual Private Network that runs on Oracle ...." >>> I stopped there...smh. >>> If you're going to speculate, at least use an intelligent guess. >>> >>> ./bernard >>> On Mar 7, 2013 1:39 PM, "Dan Kwach" <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=3413 >>>> >>>> Not sure how accurate the above is though...I think speculation >>>> is too rife for anyone to know the exact truth.. >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> >>>> Dan O.Kwach. >>>> >>>> On 3/7/2013 10:18 AM, Bogi Benga wrote: >>>> >>>> word round is that the system was hacked >>>> >>>> >>>> http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/kenyan-election-2013/evans-ondieki-iebc-all... >>>> >>>> Anyone who can shed more light on this? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Martin Chiteri < >>>> martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Nelson, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your comments, they are all very sound. I just >>>>> need to put something small into context: >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just wanted to respond to many of the issues raised today >>>>>> about the IEBC, the electronic tallying system, and about open access. As >>>>>> one of the few non-Kenyans on the list (2 months in Nairobi, previously NY >>>>>> where I did alot of Python work), maybe I have a unique outsiders point of >>>>>> view. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, this is not my election, but I it is important to >>>>>> the world that Kenya has strong institutions and the duty to create and >>>>>> maintain those institutions lies with everybody. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hardware is likely not the problem here (disk space comments >>>>>> aside - which are surely do to logical, not physical errors), the problem >>>>>> is multifaceted: >>>>>> >>>>>> On this list, there is a strong bias towards "Kenyan >>>>>> solutions" or "Kenyanborn". Aside from finding this kind of offensive, >>>>>> it's also just petty and backwards. The reason IEBC exists is not to >>>>>> support the local ICT industry, it's to facilitate a trustworthy platform >>>>>> on which Kenyan elections can take place. In addition, there are hundreds >>>>>> of elections a year around the world and for Kenya to have a one-off system >>>>>> that has never been used elsewhere and will never be used elsewhere is >>>>>> neither efficient nor high quality. Maybe the local word processor and >>>>>> spreadsheet apps should be "Kenyanborn" too? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> The general bias towards Kenyan solutions here stems from the >>>>> fact that most procurements of I.T solutions, for both hardware and >>>>> software by public institutions in Kenya, is tilted in favour of foreign >>>>> vending companies. An assumption made is that the imported systems are of >>>>> higher quality since they were "done abroad" even though this is not always >>>>> the case. >>>>> >>>>> The issue is that some of the systems end up being done >>>>> largely by locals. The multi-nationals simply hire Kenyan developers less >>>>> expensively to do the job right after being awarded the contract but >>>>> maintain the figures invoiced earlier. In the end they cost a lot of money, >>>>> for instance the IEBC system that attracted an invoice upwards of 100 >>>>> million U.S.D. This is not too good especially to our economy's balance of >>>>> payments. >>>>> >>>>> What people are saying is that we can at least do >>>>> half-a-decent job, that is all. >>>>> >>>>> Martin. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> .... And now for something completely different: ``A radioactive >>>>> cat has 18 half-lives.'' [ PyPy ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> At my last job in the States, almost half the team was >>>>>> non-American and that was a strength, not a weakness. We don't know what >>>>>> happened at the IEBC yet, and kudos to the people working to get that data >>>>>> available, but the failures here cannot be blamed on 'outsiders'. Some of >>>>>> the commentary is bordering on xenophobic. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for openness at the code level, that would certainly be >>>>>> awesome. Check out this article ( >>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/features/2012/11/internet-based-and-open-source-how-e...) >>>>>> and connect with the Brazilians and Australians rather than try to create a >>>>>> techno-autarky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky). >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/varud >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> +254 712 966 801 <%2B254%20712%20966%20801> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/varud >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cool, we have made up. Hugs and shoulder pats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can we get back to the issue at hand now? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I wish you had said that to begin with sans the knee >>>>>>>> jerk reaction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I absolutely agree with you about the opening up of the >>>>>>>> software, and not just that - the processes and procedures >>>>>>>> followed by all the people in the chain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Bernard Owuor wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skunks, >>>>>>>>> If I knew that this windows-vs-linux thing was so emotive, >>>>>>>>> I'd have skipped it totally. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is really obscuring the point I'm trying to make - which >>>>>>>>> is - opening up softwares built in the public interest - >>>>>>>>> not just to strengthen the systems, but also to foster >>>>>>>>> confidence among the varioius stake-holders. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Steve, you're really in agreement with me. We're all >>>>>>>>> speculating, so treat my "windows 8 server" bashing as just that. Just >>>>>>>>> between you and me, I know that mysql would complain thus in a Linux system >>>>>>>>> if it ran out of disk space - because Linux stores locks on the disk. I >>>>>>>>> didn't know the same happened in windows too. But hey, we're free to >>>>>>>>> speculate in the absence of information. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Rad, a bad workman 'quarrels' with his tool. Most of those >>>>>>>>> who 'blame' their tools seldom work, thus they don't qualify to be called >>>>>>>>> workmen of any type.... A good workman selects the right tool for the job. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *From:* Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:14 PM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] IEBC Systems >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See? The last bastion of "professionals" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And yet ATMs, MPesa etc run on Windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bad craftsmen blame their tools >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Alex Nyalita wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wait... a Windows platform for a mission critical system? >>>>>>>>> SMDH!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alex Nyalita >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Patrick Kariuki < >>>>>>>>> patrick.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where the experiential learning cycle comes in, when you've >>>>>>>>> got all the time in the world; >>>>>>>>> 1. What happened to the system? (we have little or no idea) >>>>>>>>> 2. What was experienced by the end user? (some error >>>>>>>>> message) >>>>>>>>> 3. Why did this happen? (come up with all kinds of possible >>>>>>>>> assumptions on what happened - based on similar error messages you've had >>>>>>>>> with different production systems) >>>>>>>>> 4. What is to be done to avoid future occurrences?(give free >>>>>>>>> advise, we know they're reading this - wait, isn't someone >>>>>>>>> getting paid to do all these??) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Bernard Mwagiru < >>>>>>>>> bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I've noticed I'm my short experience is decimation of >>>>>>>>> lessons learnt. Between us we have years of technical hands-on, >>>>>>>>> get-your-hands-dirty experience. >>>>>>>>> What we should discuss in this thread, IMHO, is potential >>>>>>>>> design flaws. Without quoting any press on who said what or where. >>>>>>>>> Whiteafrican has a high level call flow on the various interconnecting >>>>>>>>> elements. >>>>>>>>> We can use that for starters. >>>>>>>>> http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ >>>>>>>>> ./bernard >>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2013 10:18 AM, "Tech List Kenya" < >>>>>>>>> techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's our professional duty and responsibility to question >>>>>>>>> this. In as much as IEBC needs time to sort themselves, and inasmuch as we >>>>>>>>> acknowledge that things go wrong, we cannot just sweep it under the carpet >>>>>>>>> and shrug it off. Sorry to say, that's just plain irresponsible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most of you know how much clients ride you to deliver, even >>>>>>>>> clients who don't pay. Especially these ones. Now imagine a client paying >>>>>>>>> 9b! I am always amused at how much slack we want to cut guys who undercut >>>>>>>>> us. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, back to issue at hand. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Mwagiru, can you lead a virtual team to conceptualize a >>>>>>>>> proper voting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Hans, the doc you posted shows the RFP as of Dec. With >>>>>>>>> screenshots from both mobile and desktop apps. This means the system had >>>>>>>>> already been developed. So what is the point of failure? If we say the >>>>>>>>> failure is not in transmission but rather in processing, does that mean the >>>>>>>>> data is already at IEBC servers? >>>>>>>>> What would be the technological reason for the system to >>>>>>>>> stop processing (this is a very ambiguous term). Data visualization is >>>>>>>>> being done by google from IEBC servers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So what exactly is failing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Shadrack Mwaniki < >>>>>>>>> shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Skunks, >>>>>>>>> Pole for the delay in results. >>>>>>>>> These are the kind of things that make people suspicious and >>>>>>>>> not trust local ICT professionals. >>>>>>>>> The public has no idea if th system is foreign or local. 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