Then I wish you had said that to begin with sans the knee jerk reaction.<div><br></div><div>I absolutely agree with you about the opening up of the software, and not just that - the processes <span></span>and procedures followed by all the people in the chain<br>
<br>On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Bernard Owuor  wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
Skunks,<br>If I knew that this windows-vs-linux thing was so emotive, I&#39;d have skipped it totally. <br><br>It is really obscuring the point I&#39;m trying to make - which is - <span style="font-weight:bold">opening up softwares built in the public interest </span>- not just to <span style="text-decoration:underline">strengthen the systems</span>, but also <span style="text-decoration:underline">to foster confidence</span> among the varioius stake-holders.<br>
<br>@Steve, you&#39;re really in agreement with me. We&#39;re all speculating, so treat my &quot;windows 8 server&quot; bashing as just that. Just between you and me, I know that mysql would complain thus in a Linux system if it ran out of disk space - because Linux stores locks on the disk. I didn&#39;t know the same happened in windows too. But hey, we&#39;re free to speculate in the absence of information.
 <br><br>@Rad,  a bad workman &#39;quarrels&#39; with his tool. Most of those who &#39;blame&#39; their tools seldom work, thus they don&#39;t qualify to be called workmen of any type.... A good workman selects the right tool for the job. <br>
<div><br></div>  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Rad! &lt;<a href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;conradakunga@gmail.com&#39;);" target="_blank">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
 <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Skunkworks Mailing List &lt;<a href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke&#39;);" target="_blank">skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke</a>&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:14 PM<br>
 <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Skunkworks] IEBC Systems<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div>See? The last bastion of &quot;professionals&quot;<div><br></div><div>And yet ATMs, MPesa etc run on Windows. </div><div><br></div><div>Bad craftsmen blame their tools<span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Alex Nyalita  wrote:<br>

<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Wait... a Windows platform for  a  mission critical system? SMDH!!!<br></div><div><br clear="all">
<div>----<br><br>Kind Regards,<br><br>Alex Nyalita<br><br></div>
<br><br><div>On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Patrick Kariuki <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow">patrick.kariuki@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>Where the experiential learning cycle comes in, when you&#39;ve got all the time in the world; </div><div>1. What happened to the system? (we have little or no idea)</div><div>2. What was experienced by the end user? (some error message) </div>



<div>3. Why did this happen? (come up with all kinds of possible assumptions on what happened - based on similar error messages you&#39;ve had with different production systems)</div><div>4. What is to be done to avoid future occurrences?(give free advise, we know they&#39;re reading this -<font size="4"> </font><font size="1">wait, isn&#39;t someone getting paid to do all these??</font>)</div>


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<br><div>On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow">bmwagiru@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div dir="ltr">What I&#39;ve noticed I&#39;m my short experience is decimation of lessons learnt. Between us we have years of technical hands-on, get-your-hands-dirty experience.<br>
What we should discuss in this thread, IMHO, is potential design flaws. Without quoting any press on who said what or where. Whiteafrican has a high level call flow on the various interconnecting elements.<br>
We can use that for starters.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a href="http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/</a><span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">
<div dir="ltr">./bernard</div></font></span><div><div>
<div>On Mar 6, 2013 10:18 AM, &quot;Tech List Kenya&quot; &lt;<a rel="nofollow">techlistkenya@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div dir="ltr"><div>It&#39;s our professional duty and responsibility to question this. In as much as IEBC needs time to sort themselves, and inasmuch as we acknowledge that things go wrong, we cannot just sweep it under the carpet and shrug it off. Sorry to say, that&#39;s just plain irresponsible.</div>





<div> </div><div>Most of you know how much clients ride you to deliver, even clients who don&#39;t pay. Especially these ones. Now imagine a client paying 9b! I am always amused at how much slack we want to cut guys who undercut us. </div>





<div> </div><div>Anyway, back to issue at hand. </div><div> </div><div>@Mwagiru, can you lead a virtual team to conceptualize a proper voting </div><div> </div><div>@Hans, the doc you posted shows the RFP as of Dec. With screenshots from both mobile and desktop apps. This means the system had already been developed. So what is the point of failure? If we say the failure is not in transmission but rather in processing, does that mean the data is already at IEBC servers?</div>





<div>What would be the technological reason for the system to stop processing (this is a very ambiguous term). Data visualization is being done by google from IEBC servers. </div><div> </div><div>So what exactly is failing?</div>





<div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div></div><div><div><br><br><div>On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Shadrack Mwaniki <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow">shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Dear Skunks,<br>Pole for the delay in results.<br>These are the kind of things that make people suspicious and not trust local ICT professionals.<br>





The public has no idea if th system is foreign or local. All they know is that 9b of their money was spent<br>on the systems.<br>The transactions being managed by IEBC are so small that they can be managed by a powerful desk top on any<br>





relational database. doin&#39;t even talk of concurrent submission of results because all that is need is a good queue <br>management algorith.<br>A separate desktop would handle the incoming traffic from polling stations<br>





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