Hi Daudi, See comments below. Rgds, Dan O.Kwach, Kenya Data Networks. _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Daudi Were Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:53 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] KDN cut their rates by 90% last week....haventseenany of you skunkers commenting on this issue Dan, Thanks for your open engagement on this list. It is a very refreshing change. Would you please tackle these questions for those of us who are interested: 1. Why weren't the fall back links built before Seacom got here? If "KDN and probably other operators understand quite well the need for uninterrupted services" why not factor that in the plan right from the beginning? Is it a cost issue? A tech issue? A management issue? [Dan O.Kwach] Fall back positions were well taken care of way before Seacom got here. KDN has been in the process of developing a redundant link for its highway fiber link. As I said, building a redundant fiber link cable to protect the current fiber link from Msa to Bungoma, in the long run to Kigali Rwanda takes time - time has been the major factor, we have a lot of regulatory requirements to gain approval for the necessary way-leaves besides use of private land in some instances, a lot of funds is necessary to ensure smooth running of the installation process besides the need to ensure quality work during the whole project. All this was factored in way before activating the service. KDN chose to provide the Seacom connection whilst it burns the midnight candle to avail the necessary protection link. 2. How wide, nationally, has the KDN fibre reached? For example are guys in Kakamega etc on Seacom as well? [Dan O.Kwach] Seacom link is available Nationally wherever KDN Network coverage is available all the way to Kampala Uganda, guys in Kakamega can definitely enjoy the service. Any queries as to where you want the Seacom link provisioned for you, kindly shout out to sales@kdn.co.ke. Just trying to understand here! Thanks D On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:20 AM, <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Hi Aki, I earlier mentioned in a different thread KDN's initiative to build a redundant link to ensure resiliency on trunk links. You can be sure KDN and probably other operators understand quite well the need for uninterrupted services. We are all struggling to achieve this. Give us time to meet this goal. As it goes "Rome wasn't build in one single day". It takes quite sometime leave alone other resources to build fiber network links spanning 1500km and ensure protection of the physical route. We just made undersea cable connection a reality, protecting it is our present day challenge and time will tell. Rgds, Dan O.Kwach, Kenya Data Networks. Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Zain Kenya _____ From: aki Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:57:09 +0300 To: <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke>; Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] KDN cut their rates by 90% last week....haventseen any of you skunkers commenting on this issue On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:09 AM, <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Aki, I doubt if the issue with the trunk was given an "its just another day" kind of feeling! Is there any sufficient justification for this statement? Rgds, Dan O.Kwach, Kenya Data Networks. Hi Dan, my personal observation.... repairing a trunk and downtime as an operator is discouraging ( 1 day in a year is fine ) . Am sure tkl will do no better. ( back to the days of card failures at kentsream resulted in internet outages for days... ) What will it take to create trunks as mission critical networks? I'm sure there was plenty of efforts and running around to get it going from KDN's part but that is irrelevant. Because of the trunk failure, redundancy is via satellite. Satellite capacity is not offered for free i.e 90% more expensive, so who bears the cost of downtime? The end users. SP providers will provision their rates based on how much fiber capacity needed and also sat redundancy bandwidth. Rates cannot drop drastically due to un-reliability. I wonder what HE Museveni had to say about the downtime or in future HE Kagame? These two countries are dependent on the fiber via kenya. -- Sign on my car is " L " plates : c#.net _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <mailto:e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were