I know soon am destined to be public enemy number one! But remember a rebel for a cause :-))) The only reason I asked David to google is because he himself is someone who understands technology. Why was he looking for a shortcut? @Brainiac, the other day some asked you for your WP scripts for free! Did you respond? :-) @Wash, shall we hlep those who are not technically inclined or those who are technical competent but looking for quick answers. Afterall, they are doping commercial installations. I think big difference. Ama? :-) -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "