On the BGP issue, it really depends on WHY you want to run the protocol. If for instance you only connect to one ISP,are not connecting any clients then I suggest you don't run bgp with the ISP. It just complicates your life, probably for no added benefit; they'll probably just for ward a default route to you anyway. I say this because very few ISP's in Kenya actually even bother receiving the full internet routing tables. Even fewer need it. If its just for playing around with ( I saw something about BSCI) umm I guess you can use your discretion, but your ISP has to be willing to help you play. JGitau On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Stan Ngure <stanngure@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi George,
A Cisco 2851 is a good router too especially with your growth projections.
Check out the the link;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5882/index.html
Stan Ngure
Also see Cisco TechWiseTV video broadcast "Routers Are Dead. Long Live the Router!", in there;
1. The new range of ISR Gen 2. routers.
2. Interesting IOS 15! <-- notable
3. USB console <-- inbuilt Com converter.
Overall informative for all.
R
D
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:14 PM, techi <myskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
@George, There new Cisco 2900 generation2 series ISR routers in the market. You can check them out;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10537/products_data_sheets_list.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps10598/ordering_guide_c0...
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:26 AM, techi <myskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
@Net Net, thanks, that's good info.
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
For bgp,it is not a must for you to have your own AS number to have bgp running.Just talk to your ISPs and you can use a private AS number of your choice.This will work very fine
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Well for whatever you have stated,what you need is >> redundancy/multihoming with 2 providers which means doing bgp on >> your >> network.For this,1841 is still good.But talk of 2800,then your are >> good to >> go and it take care of all the needs you stated earlier and more,so >> if your >> budget allows for a 2800,please have no other thought. >> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, George Njoroge >> <themburu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Let us start with 1841--Very good router for a not so big >>>> office.It >>>> si an Intergrated Services Router(ISR) meaning supports several >>>> services,esp >>>> a modular one is vwey good for expansion purposes for u can use >>>> it for voice >>>> i.e as a callmanager instead of installing a legacy PABX,u can >>>> add a >>>> wireless module for the LAN. You can add a 3G module if your WAN >>>> is on a 3G >>>> platform,you can upgrade your IOS to an advanced security >>>> bundle,you can add >>>> IPS module for secutiry....I mean the router is goood and >>>> scalable. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:10 AM, George Njoroge >>>> <themburu@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you dont need info from Cisco site,then post here your >>>>>> requirements/what you want to archieve and you will get quite >>>>>> good info >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM, francis kamau >>>>>> <kfransys@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi George >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FAQ on 1841: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps5853/prod_qas0900aecd80... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> the father >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lydiah ndirangu >>>>>>> <lyndirangu22@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5853/index.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i hope this will help! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @George. consider these : cpu, memory and pps. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> Other lists >>>>>>>>> ------------- >>>>>>>>> Announce: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>>>>> Science: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>>>>> kazi: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> Other lists >>>>>>>> ------------- >>>>>>>> Announce: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>>>> Science: >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>>>> kazi: >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> Other lists >>>>>>> ------------- >>>>>>> Announce: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>>> Science: >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>>> kazi: >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> Other lists >>>>>> ------------- >>>>>> Announce: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> Science: >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> kazi: >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good Question Net Net >>>>> >>>>> I need to expand/scale my network for that I need adequate >>>>> information on particular devices. What I also need to consider >>>>> are network >>>>> requirements for this design ie WANs , VPNs, remote access, >>>>> Access Policies, >>>>> Distribusion , Security etc. and mostly adapt to change or >>>>> growth. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Conservatism is the adherence to the old tried against the new >>>>> untried. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> Other lists >>>>> ------------- >>>>> Announce: >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>> kazi: >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> Other lists >>>> ------------- >>>> Announce: >>>> >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>> kazi: >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >>> >>> Hey Net Net >>> >>> True 1841 is an ISR rtr but used for small-to-medium-sized >>> businesses >>> (SMBs), Im hoping to eventually have two ISP's for my server >>> network such >>> that if one ISP is down the other is active but thats a long term >>> plan. >>> I need a rtr soonest but I dont need to buy one then find that I >>> need >>> to replace it in 5 months due to expansion needs hence I was >>> finding abt the >>> 1841 - so are the 2800 ISR series the next above the 1800 series? >>> Also besides the earlier outlined factors for network expansion >>> design are there additional factors you would consider. >>> Regards >>> Themburu >>> -- >>> Conservatism is the adherence to the old tried against the new >>> untried. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > Sup Net Net > > I have also been thinking abt bgp for multiple ISP's but I dont > think > it is economical due the charges involved in getting an AS number. > Have you ever run bgp, what are the resource requirements for a rtr? > > -- > Conservatism is the adherence to the old tried against the new > untried. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Good info guys and I like it much. I didn't my ISP can give me a private AS no, Im using UUNet do u know if they do such ama they will drop me another high bill? Abt the rtrs how much are the 1841 and 2811 locally. I think I need atleast 4 HWIC's and 2 E1 cards and 2 Serial ports. Also what other high end ISR rotuers can I consider at this point? -- Conservatism is the adherence to the old tried against the new untried.
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