Great Riyaz,<div><br></div><div>Guys, keep em coming.</div><div><br><br>On Monday, July 30, 2012, Riyaz Bachani  wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
People, pls add to this list:<div><br></div><div>Ugandan operators present at KIXP include Warid, Roke, MTN ?, Orange? , others  ... ?</div><div>Ethopian operators present at KIXP through BCS</div><div><br></div><div>Kenyan operators at UIXP include BCS, Simbanet/Wananchi, KDN, Orange? , others ... ?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Kenyan operators at TIX include Simbanet/Wananchi, BCS?, KDN/6telecom ? , others ... ?</div><div><br></div><div>Rwanda has BSC which gets transit through TZ and should be peered there shortly, if not already. BCS is peering already in RW.</div>

<div><br></div><div>The thing is no operator currently runs &quot;one network&quot; when it comes to IP - so you have to understand what ranges they advertise where etc.</div><div>But each of the above can do a regional solution if a customer specified exactly what they need.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Incidentally - who runs the SEACOM IP network on here ? They also have a good chance to achieve regional peering if not already available.</div><div>They&#39;re present in every country, and had IP POPs they were setting up.</div>

<div><br></div><div>All the major telcos that have regional networks also have projects to consolidate their IP networks into &quot;one network&quot;. Timeframe unknown.</div><div><br></div><div>R</div><div><br></div><div>

<br></div><div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stan Ngure <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;stanngure@gmail.com&#39;);" target="_blank">stanngure@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks Riyaz,<div><br></div><div>Point 2 is great. Is it possible to share these operators so we explore a some working formulae. </div><div><br></div><div>On point 3, a small fee to consumer of for this service can always be negotiated, the ultimate objective is a wow experience for EA users.</div>


<div><span>Pulling in the stakeholders with lamda capacity and techies would be great and possibly the regulators.<span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>By the way does the East African Community have an ICT body of some sort?</div>

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<div><br></div><div><br><br>On Thursday, July 26, 2012, Riyaz Bachani  wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry - the next steps ...<div><br></div>

<div>Maybe those who can afford to get to AfPif should have this discussion in a forum there &amp; come up with some people willing to take some action points on this.</div><div><br>
</div><div>Secondly, as EANOG - we can get together and debate this issue a little more as techies. We&#39;ve missed our July session, and this can make up for that - when is a good date for people ? We need to try pull in any key stakeholders in this too - it&#39;s only going to take a couple of operators who see the business case &amp; can execute to get it done.</div>



<div><br></div><div>Finally - there&#39;s already people doing this under the radar like I said - and we can just wait &amp; they&#39;ll soon come knocking on your doors for your regional business :)</div><div><br></div>


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R</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Riyaz Bachani <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>bachani@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Stan,<div><br></div><div>Speaking up a bit late ... some of us had actually tossed this idea around on a list a couple of months ago</div>



<div><br></div><div>1. As it is right now there actually does seem to be a regional exchange building up unintentionally - everyone who transits through Kenya &amp; Kenyan operators is being peered at KIXP, so that includes UG, RW, Ethiopia ... so they&#39;re able to access Kenyan content, and vice versa.</div>




<div>Note this isn&#39;t really intentional, and obviously there could be better commercial models for this.</div><div>As a consumer right now - you can make sure you&#39;re using one of these ISPs in both countries I guess ... and this type of model works for &quot;content&quot; actually - but I would want more ...</div>




<div><br></div><div>2. I know there are plans for various operators to peer at more IXPs and build &quot;regional networks&quot;. Currently some Kenyan operators have started peering at UG, TZ, RW exchange points. The UG IXPs already peer in Kenya as we see from point 1. If you let this run its course, then slowly you will have 3-4 regional operators that have networks covering all countries.</div>




<div><br></div><div>3. If you ask me - I would advocate still for the same thing I did in the other discussion - there needs to be someone who can just light up a lamda on fiber between the countries. Or for operators to swap capacity at a lamda level. This means that now there is 10G capacity running between the countries. It&#39;s not just content that uses that capacity - these operators can run IP networks &amp; sell IP transit to customers regionally. If they can build up scale, the price of bandwidth can start at $10 per MB regionally and even come down to $1 per MB. Then we have a model similar to that of the rest of the world.</div>




<div>So it&#39;s not just content that can drive this - but also IP Transit. And IP is a much better way to be selling our capacities than the STM-1 and STM-4 level everyone is doing.</div><div>People already have 10G running from Mombasa to the Kenyan border. Others have 10G from Kampala to the UG border. We need to join the dots. There is a clear business case.</div>




<div><br></div><div>4. There are problems with model 3 above - some of these are related to some countries that don&#39;t just sell dark fiber. So independent operators HAVE to buy capacity on a per MB basis from the govt or govt operator - and so that price will always remain your base minimum for that country. </div>




<div>Other problems ... ???</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>R</div></font></span><div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div>
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Stan Ngure <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>stanngure@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So team,<div><br></div><div>How can consumers/content providers push this agenda?<span></span></div><div><br></div><div>

<br><br>On Monday, July 23, 2012, Kivuva  wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As an internet user footing the bill through my wallet, I&#39;m not only<br>
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