We're talking about writing the code, it's been properly designed, laid out etc. In my view, it's one thing to write a simple crud app and another to write a 16x16 pvp multiplayer game, doesn't matter how good a coder you are, code as complex as modern games, machine learning algo's, rdbms engines, os kernels etc requires collaboration, code review, unit testing and round after round of QA testing. I've also come to realise that programmers are the ones who suffer the most from the Dunning-Kruger effect <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>. The tone and sheer arrogance I've heard from coders over the years is amazing, you'd think they'd apprenticed under Torvalds. I consider myself an intermediate developer at best and I come from an era where there was only Netscape and no JavaScript, let alone jQuery. If you'are a web developer and don't know what Netscape is, then you're in more trouble than you know. Regards, John K. On 15 August 2015 at 08:41, Chris Ochieng <chris@aellogroup.com> wrote:
Interesting. I've always thought that the strength of any development (be it wireshark or a calculator) comes from how your structure the app as a whole in pseudo code or flow chart or some sort of high level process flow on feature, function, look and feel, and to do this one should understand things like conditional statements, flow control, loops, namespaces, sub routines and so on. At least that's how I approach any project, simple or complex. I put 85% and sometimes 90% of the time just thinking and "designing" the app or apps. After that is when I turn it into code, at which point I'd either choose the best language or the fastest depending on the maintenance cycle and time (money) allocated to the task. I doubt these days programming languages compete in features. I bet you can write wireshark in php if you had the time. All in all, the "conversion" into code is usually the least of my worries, and takes the littlest of time, even if I was to roll out my python/django apps in symfony2 (for me) ᐧ
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On 14 August 2015 at 12:05, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I also used to think that the is 'the one' true coder that is a master in all the major languages but as I've grown older I've come to realise that this is not the matrix and that person does not exist. It takes years to truly master any platform, take any of those programmers and have them write a suitably complex app like say Wireshark on windows, linux, and mac in reasonable amount of time and I watch the excuses begin.
In my experience, nobody is a master at everything, but please prove me wrong, I am ready to concede if you can show me Neo.
Regards, John K.
On 14 August 2015 at 10:07, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
http://norvig.com/21-days.html
It's possible to get a developer who is good in many languages. Even here in Kenya we have many. It's very difficult to get a *programmer* who is good in multiple languages.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Nicholas Peters, its not about recruiters *collecting vocabularies*, its knowing what they want and what they can get.
Such multi-skilled developers do exist right here on this beautiful country of ours. A lot more exist on the other side of the ocean.
And people are different, people learn faster than others, or our brains are setup differently, or we have different levels of self motivation and focus. Whatever it is, it is possible to master iOS, Android and PHP.
Often, we developers assume that our personal limitations exist for everyone.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
To be fair, I normally loose lots of tricks when i spend sometimes in other frameworks or languages.I also need some times and coding before i get used to some tricks in new languages or environments.IT happens even in sports,coordination of mind and body would take some practices.
I normally lough when I see these kind of job ads.Most of the time experience goes against creativity ,if someone is not careful.
I think serious employer should separate concerns for IOS/Android they are two different camps/religions ,but recruiters keep of adding up things as if they are collecting vocabularies. Naive programmers would attempt everything and would finally be good in nothing.Who would keep up with version releases, bug fixing ..political fights btn the apple/google etc.? --
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..... On 13 August 2015 at 15:56, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
OT: Is it just me or I'd think a person 'good' in all those technologies is an expert of none of them? Sorry to hijack your post. :)
Regards, John K.
On 13 August 2015 at 12:15, Aladin Khedira via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Got this here below off Shikala Mwachi's Facebook Post: > > > Hello People, I am urgently seeking 2 experienced mobile app developers > with the following profile: > > - Deep knowledge and experience with iOS and Android native Apps > development > > - Experience with mobile application development environments > > - Good understanding of web technologies (HTML, CSS, JQuery, Ajax and PHP) > > - Knowledge of databases (MySql) > > - Very good knowledge / programming skills in Objective-C (IOS Apps) > > - Very good knowledge / programming skills in JAVA (Android Apps) > > The successful candidates will initially start as project staff in Kenya > and if they prove competent, later work from the clients head office in > Germany. > > Please share widely. Interested parties can email me at paul@isys.co.ke >
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