I couldn&#39;t agree more... Just what I was saying... the two kinds of students in uni. One depends on being spoon fed by lecturers, and the other one takes what is taught as some kind of raw material, processes it and comes up with a way of thinking. No one can teach you how to think in a certain way. But you can learn that from what you already know. This is what I meant by going to uni to learn, not to be taught.<div>

<br></div><div>I think what is needed is more research, faculty that is committed to acquire knowledge and share it with students, rather that lift words from a book and drop them into students&#39; ears. I think the faculty also has a problem. The criteria used to hire lecturers could be flawed too. They hire teachers, rather than university dons and I guess that culture of being complacent somehow trickles down to the students.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Keep them points coming :)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 February 2011 10:04, Rad! <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I am amazed at some of the sentiments on this thread.<div><br></div><div><div><ol><li>It is not the University&#39;s job to teach you how to install CentOS! </li>

<li>It is not the University&#39;s work to teach you Android</li>
<li>It is not the University&#39;s work to teach yo Ruby/Python/Java/C++ etc</li></ol><div>The university&#39;s work is to teach you <b>CONCEPTS</b>. It is up to you to figure out how to apply them.</div></div></div><div>


<br></div><div>Granted the University should do some more to help in this regard. There i agree.</div><div><br></div><div>I also find it presumptuous to say lecturers are incompetent and don&#39;t know the latest technologies. The latter may be true but the former? Justify that. Lecturers don&#39;t have to know about Davlik and Reactive Framework. It would help them be better lectureres if they did, but it does&#39;t make them incompetent if they don&#39;t</div>


<div><br></div><div>Engineering students are not taught how to build Mitsubishi or BMW engines. they are taught how to build internal combustion engines. Application of the same is up to the students!</div><div><br></div>


<div>In fact Universities that teach <b>LANGUAGES</b> are the ones contributing to the half baked graduates (not the graduate&#39;s fault!) that join the workplace each year. A good symptom is all those nonsense arguments about programming languages that pepper this list.</div>


<div><br></div><div>A serious however who knows the fundamentals -- data structures, algorithms, O notation, program flow etc however will not have any problem learning new languages as the job suits him.</div><div><br></div>


<div>As for that person wondering how useful compiler theory is -- well, compiler theory is what enables innovations like GWT and Android to work -- writing in one language and getting it compiled into a second language that gets executed/interpreted or even compiled into a third language. How useful is it to IT support? Very. Do you process a lot of text files? Then you will need to know how to use regular expressions. Guess what underpins that?</div>


<div><br></div><div>Discrete mathematics? Rather than write an essay here, read for yourself the applications <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_mathematics" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_mathematics</a></div>


<div><br></div><div>So to recap -- I completely disagree it is the university&#39;s work to teach you the latest shiny technologies. I&#39;m tired of being saddened interviewing graduates who throw programming languages in my face but don&#39;t know the difference between a queue and a list</div>


<div><br></div><div>They can however help in this regard. Perhaps a partnership with industry such that some of the fourth year courses are taught by industry professionals. Or perhaps in the fourth year the university can send lecturers for training in some of the latest industry developments and teach that to students to SUPPLEMENT their understanding of the fundamentals.</div>


<div><br></div><div>One thing that can be done immediately is make industrial attachment part of the core syllabus and have it weighted the equivalent of one semester of units.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, i agree with the sentiments that the teaching is not always done in a context sensitive fashion. You are taught a concept but not its practical application. This makes it that much harder to grasp the concept. Lecturers should be a bit more creative to get students to appreciate the concepts. </div>


<div><br></div><div>If there is any university ambitious enough, I would like to dare them to pair teaching mathematics (calculus &amp; algebra) with programming as an aid to teaching.</div>
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