Ok, I think it is time to close this thread because it could take me years to get the info while I'm no Phd or a specialist in the genetics or archaelogoy field. I'm not off the subject and will continue poolay poolay. In summary , the pattern is very clear just after 4 days of basic research. Some-one came from somewhere and went somewhere when at the time there were no borders or states . I see only one thing on the ancestral/historical land issues in that they are as old as the migration of modern humans dating back to thousands of years of conflict and who has the bigger kingdoms etc. Historical claims can go as far as a few thousand years, who will turn the entire world upside down to fix these things that happened that long ago where history can be easily twisted to suit the tellers and generations. For Kenya and because of the 1963 declaration of independence, its borders and all those who are in it as a Nation need to respect the integrity of the constitition that guarantees the rights of every kenyans and also provides for equal representantions of the diverse kenyan population from the majority to the minority. I hope the new constitution has taken into account all the factors, esle we should just revert back to the kingdoms of the historical years. Then, as in the past thousands of years, we can take presents to kingdoms and make land deals/treaties, we can be colonised and become colonisers. Whoever has the best weaponry will lead the kingdom. No cars, no tech, nothing. Life can be so much easier, remove all the borders and states. Let us revert to the pre-historic eras, whoever has the biggest spear wins. Are these choices?