& invisible doesnt mean it cant be detected, invisible means it should not interfere with your viewing experience, unlike the one where guyz put their phone numbers on screen which interferes with the viewing - i.e. visible watermarks ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Laban - so what if the watermark is detected? You are talking from the technology perspective and not what the technology is supposed to do/or help to do. If I have my watermarked video, even if you are able to detect it, you are still pirating it and the process of getting that you are pirating is the important aspect here, not that you can detect it!
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Even if it's invisible, it will leave a digital footprint that can be detected.. Have a look at this steg module: http://blog.wolfram.com/2010/07/08/doing-spy-stuff-with-mathematica/ http://andorian.blogspot.com/2011/07/dirt-cheap-steganography.html You can't see any differences between the hen images yet the data is there and can be detected.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Labo - thats why its an invisible water mark, that takes care of issue 2. Issue 1 is not really an issue since if I have the DVD and ran it on the watermark software, it will not show any watermark and thats not a problem since it is really not piracy as such.
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:51 PM, peter kihara <kiharapet@gmail.com>wrote:
And there is your solution. Make the media available and cheap and pap! I highly doubt if after you have finished paying for that expensive HD camera you should continue charging expensively. It worked for JuaCali he sold his album for 100 and he said sales were okay. The plan also works in India where there are different classes of movie halls. Que: How is the guy copying the DVD/CD making a profit ? he has bought the same CDs made covers and distributed. so all you have to do is beat him at it
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Two issues that I can see: 1) What if I as an end user of tv station one made a copy off the airwaves and distributed it (Ignore the chance that a broadcast rip might not be as good as a dvd rip)? You'd go to tv station one and claim piracy yet they had nothing to do it with... ergo they can use that argument in court. 2) If it's a watermark, end users will find it and scrub it. All they have to do is look for anomalies in the frames... See http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1288902
The point is, if you can do find a technical solution, users will always find a way around it. See http://gigaom.com/video/drm-fail-five-broken-copy-protection-schemes-2/
Now loop in Adobe encrypted epubs, the kindle format, the Sony's rootkit fiasco and you can see where this is going... If media was relatively cheap, available and unencumbered, more people would opt to buy/rent the legit copy.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
By the way, my scope of work is limited to the local content being broadcast on TV, for example, the recent Night of a thousand laughs concert presented a big problem since the DVD's were supposed to be resold to specific TV stations in the region and they did find themselves in the black market. What would have happened in this scenario is that we would have sold to say 5 local TV stations who are authorized to show it sometime in future and if any copy found itself in the black market, then we would go and buy it and run it through the watermarker and be able to identify which of the 5 stations did the duplicate and then institute legal action against the specific station.
This would never be a solution for your good old series downloadable from the net, but without digressing from the topic - the original post was actually based on content you have created (or in charge thereof) and not just some stuff on the internet.
./Ok3ch
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:42 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hehe he... You can't fight them, but okech is speaking of control. > And that's possible. If I sell to you, watermark it or tag it (networkers > are good at this), you can identify it and use it. > > What I can guarantee is that over time,they will gain control. (who > is they!?) hee > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 6, 2012, at 22:41, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: > > for authorized duplication, i'd walk down river road so to speak, > there are a couple of music production houses there. if need be talk to > steenie 0722477344, he knows his way around there. > > to prevent unauthorized duplication, am not aware of that having > been done successfully. > On Jul 6, 2012 9:04 PM, "Okechukwu" < <okechukwu@gmail.com> > okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Am actually working on a solution (not really a solution but some >> leverage to deal with pirates) where a video is encoded with an invisible >> watermark which is unique for every copy made on DVD/CD. If any copy >> appears on the black market, the software can read the watermark and >> compare it with the database and know the distributor (who legally acquired >> it and decided to duplicate). This then is used as evidence to sue the >> distributor and deal with the root cause of piracy - which is never the guy >> the innocently buys a pirated copy. >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 6, 2012, at 16:05, Collins Areba < <arebacollins@gmail.com> >> arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> @john if its something sellable like music, talk to me too, I have >> a platform for distribution. >> >> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:58 PM, John Karanja <<mauxdatabase@gmail.com> >> mauxdatabase@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> mmmmh its a tricky one cause i am realising its different with >>> text, sound and video >>> >>> Ok where can I burn like 10,000 CD's? >>> >>> Thanks for the help >>> >>> John. >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington <<odhiambo@gmail.com> >>> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I thought copying is defined as reading from source A and writing >>>> to source B. So you need to find a way to prevent the "reading" in the >>>> first place:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:40 PM, John Karanja <<mauxdatabase@gmail.com> >>>> mauxdatabase@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Its still possible to copy from that. 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