Well Moses, Granted that maybe so but flaws in the very nature of GSM allow anyone with the right equipment (some very basic by the way) to perform a whole spectrum analysis.. :-) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Bernard
Awesome!Thanks for the feedback!That is one more piece of the puzzle in its correct place...
On 6 March 2012 18:58, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
" are mobile ip addresses mapped on to mobile numbers i.e 197.176.*.* to 0725****** ? " Yes they are. Both dynamically or statically.
The dynamic IP address<> Mobile Number mapping at a point in time can be retrieved. Bear in mind, the dynamic IP pool allocation can be almost immediate. Static IP address<> Mobile Number can be obtained at any time, for as long as the number is still active and has not been deleted.
./bernard
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Anthony
Very nice,the link was quite helpful.Thanks!
@Ty
The 'silent sms' sounds like a good option for 'mobile ping'.Nevermind that it would cost at least 1 shilling to 'ping' once! :) But I like the idea behind it and I would be open to pursuing it from that angle.Thanks!
@John
Thanks for the pointers.I was thinking more in terms of feature phones - where the provision for installing apps doesn't exist.It looks like user privacy is taken care of better on 'non-smart phones'.Imagine all this trouble to find the location of device X and yet if it were a smart phone,a simple 'allow gps location' would do the trick! :( Tell me John,are mobile ip addresses mapped on to mobile numbers i.e 197.176.*.* to 0725****** ? In theory,if I went to Safaricom/Airtel/Orange and gave them one of numbers on their network,would the tell me which ip address is assigned to it at that point(assuming they are dynamic ip adds.)
@Gisho and Ty
That would be possible but I am informed the MNOs will only release this info to law enforcement agencies. :(
Thank you all for the answers!
On 6 March 2012 16:09, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:
Better yet, simply pay for a HLR Lookup from companies that sell info for pennies to the dollar. Again your motives come to play.
-ty
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:30 PM, gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote:
Am not sure about this but i think if you have SS7 link there are a number of queries you can make to HLR of the host provider if its not blocked
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:05 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
If it is you can't rely on it. I can guarantee it will be blocked the moment you start using it. I'm thinking you're stuck with apps that users install and allow to share the information. Privacy is/will be a serious issue. Anyway a few apps that I think do what you seem to need ( I'm not too clear on your needs)...
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Since phones by default tell the network where you are, you can do apps that umm use 'ambient social networks' + location. In this case your on phone contacts could be a social network..
oh and a connected data enabled phone can technically be 'pinged'.
Other option is to 'break' gsm if they don't give access:-)
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On 6 Mar 2012, at 01:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure whether this is enabled, especially considering that it can be used by sms spammers...Its a worth a check.
./bernard
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you look at it from a GSM front you will realize you can > implement "Silent SMS" to "ping" any user on the SS7 network anywhere in > the world. Not sure if this is what you are looking for though. Just a > suggestion. > > -ty > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Mose, >> >> More pointers, >> >> >> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/obtaining-user-location.h... >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> PLEASE CALL ME.MIGHT WORK.Hehehehehehe.This is call dont try this >>> at home.Am sure its all possible but under special scenarios with special >>> interception equipments >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Very well,thanks!The info you have provided will be of great help. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 March 2012 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, the information(UP/DOWN) is readily available to law >>>>> enforcement institutions. >>>>> >>>>> Where, >>>>> UP = The line is attached on the network, and this includes its >>>>> location. Location here means its cell ID in Hex. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ./bernard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What are your intentions for this knowledge, Moses? >>>>>> >>>>>> *Good intentions I assure you!It involves the development of a >>>>>> mobile application.Sorry,I cannot go into the details since that would >>>>>> breach the terms of a certain NDA agreement and I am a coward when it comes >>>>>> to dealing with witty lawyers! :)* >>>>>> >>>>>> I assume what you want to find out is the BTS (signalling >>>>>> towers) that last received the signal of the phone/MSISDN in question. Only >>>>>> law enforcement agencies e.g. NSIS have direct access to lawful >>>>>> interception gateways (which readily have this info in real time)or at >>>>>> least can get the last Cell/site ID(a.k.a cellular triangulation info) of >>>>>> the phone/number via internal anti-fraud telco staff. >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI, cellular triangulation info is not as primitive as you put >>>>>> it. *I was comparing it to GPS,which I would argue is more >>>>>> advanced.* >>>>>> * >>>>>> * >>>>>> Every mobile phone sends this info on initiating a call or >>>>>> while performing hand-overs between BTSs. Tapping this info requires you to >>>>>> intercept and reconstruct a GMSK modulated digital signal, perform some >>>>>> frequency hopping, decode a TDMA/CDMA architecture, A3 key decryption >>>>>> between SIM and Authentication centre/HLR...etc..etc... *The >>>>>> only part I understood here was '...Tapping this info...' ,after that >>>>>> everything sounded like this : ###$%$%^%&%&^*&*(%#$%%^%&^*& ! :) Thank you >>>>>> nonetheless,this gives me a lot to chew on as I research on ways of >>>>>> achieving the stated objectives.* >>>>>> >>>>>> Its an incredibly long shot my friend...Your intentions might >>>>>> be good but I doubt you can get this information. *Yep,my >>>>>> intentions are good(as explained above).From your explanation,I take it >>>>>> that MNOs readily have this information at any given time and the only >>>>>> obstacle that remains is for an individual or organisation to access >>>>>> it,right?* >>>>>> * >>>>>> * >>>>>> *How about the status of a number,is there a way to know >>>>>> whether it's up or down the way you would on an IP network?* >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5 March 2012 14:26, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What are your intentions for this knowledge, Moses? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I assume what you want to find out is the BTS (signalling >>>>>>> towers) that last received the signal of the phone/MSISDN in question. Only >>>>>>> law enforcement agencies e.g. NSIS have direct access to lawful >>>>>>> interception gateways (which readily have this info in real time)or at >>>>>>> least can get the last Cell/site ID(a.k.a cellular triangulation info) of >>>>>>> the phone/number via internal anti-fraud telco staff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI, cellular triangulation info is not as primitive as you >>>>>>> put it. >>>>>>> Every mobile phone sends this info on initiating a call or >>>>>>> while performing hand-overs between BTSs. Tapping this info requires you to >>>>>>> intercept and reconstruct a GMSK modulated digital signal, perform some >>>>>>> frequency hopping, decode a TDMA/CDMA architecture, A3 key decryption >>>>>>> between SIM and Authentication centre/HLR...etc..etc... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its an incredibly long shot my friend...Your intentions might >>>>>>> be good but I doubt you can get this information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ./bernard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Moses Muya < >>>>>>> mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have two 'stupid' questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1.0 When you want to know whether a host on network is up >>>>>>>> or down you ping it,right?Is there an equivalent on mobile phones?If I want >>>>>>>> to know whether 0725****** is an operational >>>>>>>> number,is there a way of finding out without calling >>>>>>>> the number or calling Safaricom to ask them about it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2.0 We know the location of a mobile device can be discovered >>>>>>>> using GPS or Cellular tower triangulation.If,for example,a person is using >>>>>>>> a feature phone then GPS is out of >>>>>>>> question.Is there a way to tap(for lack of a better >>>>>>>> word) into the service provider's triangulation info and send the info to >>>>>>>> the mobile number or store it for other uses?Think of it as >>>>>>>> a primitive navigation system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone even with remote knowledge of how these two work will >>>>>>>> be of great help to me right now! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moses Muya. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Moses Muya. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Moses Muya. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Memusi >>> >>> Communication is vital in this century.... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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