well first off I don't like the idea of a simple technical question leading to a history lesson on KIXP. Wash raised what I believe to be the 'real' issue with the traffic at KIXP. This morning I got a call from one of the larger ISP's because a journalist who happens to host with them asked why their site is not reachable via KIXP. According to the journalist that person didn't know what an ixp is. We had a laugh but decided it was serious enough to follow up with a presentation for them on the benefits of peering. It could be that they just don't know. On the other hand; I know people within that organization with the knowledge to both discuss and implement a routing policy. So for me this is more of an education/awareness within industry and within your respective organizations. An issue that is easy to address. You can make it political or policy related but not on a thread that specifically asked a technical 'why is this happening' question. FYI that original issue has since been resolved far as I can tell. However today I am reaching google.co.ke not through the KIXP:-) why? my take on this: - We have quite a large pool of new network engineers who seem a bit 'behind' on how to go about peering at the KIXP. - with some ISP's holding quite a bit of international capacity, they don't even bother with KIXP. every one suffers, but this is more of a 'help them see the benefits' issue. - There has not been adequate training and there is a chance the work load on the engineers doesn't allow their employers to release them. When training is organized we see the same old faces, very few new guys are coming (this is being addressed). so either ISP's stopped recruiting or they are not allowing their guys to attend even free classes on something as critical as IPv6 (organized by TESPOK last yr) or the communication is wrong. case in point afnog tanzania is across the border, I hear there were only 7 Kenyans last year. I think there needs to be some sort of collective ownership of what everyone thinks and feels are issues in need of sorting out.Please list actual problems let us work on them. note in one way or another most of the issues raised are being addressed. Gitau