@Rad, Personally I have no issues with the tools or languages, its about the attitude that the local devs have when going about their business. Engineers (Registered Professional Engineers) are required by law the world over to maintain standard practices and to produce the same, with ethics high on the priority list. It should be that because devs so readily call themselves engineers should at least have the same values as required of Registered Engineers. With that in mind chances are the large number of issues raised on this forum to do with vulnerable websites is just an indicator of the quality of a lot software that is produced locally. I don't have facts so don't quote me on this. ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Rad!" <conradakunga@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 11:12:02 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Did Linus really reverse engineer the Unix Kernel or did he add more innovative features to | it? | | @Steve I think you are taking what Liko said out of context. | | What he is saying (and I agree 100%) is it does not matter if you do | your solutions in PHP, C#, Assembly, C++ etc -- all that matters is | whatever toolset you choose, you know how to use it well. | | Your client does not care whether your shiny new system uses Java or | ..NET or Perl or Python or SQL server or oracle or open soruce or | closed source -- as long as it works, and works well. | | Ergo the value these debates which toolset is better than the other | have limited value really | | On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> | wrote: | > Agosta, I have to disagree with you on some issues and the example | > with these two lines mentioned below is exactly where the problem | > is with Kenya ICT. | > | > ... Look, It doesn't matter, no one really cares about your bind, | > dns, php and c#... | > | > .... But at the end of the day clients don't give a rats ass.... | > | > Just coz your clients are ignorant, excuse me, but as a responsible | > ICT contractor its your moral duty to give the client the best | > that you have whether they know it or not. | > | > This is where the whole security mess that's evident from so many | > Kenyan websites and software system all together. We have devs... | > oops sorry | > I mean business men opportunists who think its fare game going to | > google and downloading open source software and dishing it out to | > clients to make a quick buck. This is just a get rich quick scheme | > and nothing more. | > | > Our devs dont understand how the internals of the open source code | > that they sell to clients really works... well... as long as it | > "works" everybody's happy. Unfortunately it has to take a hacker | > to reveal the true mess. It is unacceptable to has site like KNEC | > being run as they are and the likes if Nairobi Uni, Kenyatta Uni. | > This is a shame and its appalling how our IT gurus are content | > with that. | > | > Its time devs here realized just because software seems to work it | > does not mean its safe and secure both on resources and from | > intrusion. Why cant we use criticism on this list to have an idea | > where our weaknesses are and use that to develop ourselves. | > | > | > | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> | > | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | > | Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 8:15:10 AM | > | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Did Linus really reverse engineer the | > | Unix Kernel or did he add more innovative features to | > | it? | > | | > | Another open source closed source argument ... | > | | > | Why can we just get along... Look, It doesn't matter, no one | > | really | > | cares about your bind, dns, php and c# | > | | > | All that matters is does your shit work ? | > | | > | I have seen techies feel hot juu they use linux or windows or | > | macos... | > | And get into loong arguments .... But at the end of the day | > | clients | > | don't give a rats ass | > | | > | How about we focus on solving day to day problems | > | | > | AMA - let's have a talkathon/codeathon/hackathon | > | | > | AKI vs Evans | > | | > | (I would love to meet Aki in person) | > | | > | On 12/2/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: | > | > Thanks @Andrew, over the past few days I've gone to sites that | > | > present a | > | > lot of data. I'm actually putting all the players now into a | > | > timeline so | > | > that it is much easier to know the gene, how far it travelled, | > | > trouble in | > | > paradise, contributors etc. The more I research, the more I | > | > find | > | > asking | > | > myself : where did we miss out? Is it because there was no Bell | > | > Company in | > | > Kenya? And what if we had the chance, what would motivate us? | > | > | > | > Rgds. | > | > | > | > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Wafula | > | > <awafula@gmail.com> | > | > wrote: | > | > | > | >> Here is a story of the strange birth of UNIX - | > | >> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-strange-birth-and-long-life-... | > | >> * | > | >> * | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | -- | > | Sent from my mobile device | > | _______________________________________________ | > | Skunkworks mailing list | > | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | > | ------------ | > | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | > | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | > | ------------ | > | | > | Skunkworks Rules | > | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | > | ------------ | > | Other services @ http://my.co.ke | > | | > _______________________________________________ | > Skunkworks mailing list | > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | > ------------ | > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | > ------------ | > | > Skunkworks Rules | > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | > ------------ | > Other services @ http://my.co.ke | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke |