" Safaricom may hold and use information provided by you... "
Now that's a tough one..


./bernard

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Vee Legrandchef <vlegrandchef@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Well this is how i believe we relieve of our unknown rights (of privacy) to service providers...


4.7 By entering this Agreement you authorise Safaricom to at any time, without notice to you to obtain from and/or
submit to credit referencing agencies information about your credit profile.


4.2.2 Safaricom may hold and use information provided by you for a number of purposes, which may include:
(a) Carrying out any activity in connection with a legal, governmental or regulatory requirement on Safaricom in connection with legal proceedings or in respect of crime or fraud prevention, detection or prosecution.
(b) Monitoring or recording of your calls and other information for Safaricom’s business purposes such as quality control and training, prevention of unauthorised use of Safaricom’s telecommunications system and ensuring effective systems operation.

4.2.3 Safaricom reserves the right to disclose confidential information relating to your account to any of our subsidiaries or associated companies.

8.1 All intellectual property rights to the subject matter of this Agreement shall remain vested in Safaricom and the ownership of the SIMs, the Toll Free Number and the Network shall remain with Safaricom or its licensors, as appropriate. You acknowledge that you shall have no licence, right, title or interest in or to any intellectual property rights of Safaricom or its licensors (as the case may be) except as expressly set out in this Agreement.

9.7 You may not assign, transfer or delegate, or purport to assign, transfer or delegate, any of your rights or obligations under this Agreement without our prior written consent, which shall not be unreasonably withheld. We may however transfer, assign or delegate any or all of our rights under this Agreement to any of our subsidiaries or associated companies....

We need to carefully read agreements before signing em.....

/.Vee

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:31:42 +0300

From: bmwagiru@gmail.com
To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Carrier IQ saga - This must have been scary for smartphone owners.....

Aha! Now we are getting there!

So, now, what exactly is your privacy right when you get to use public resource like, e.g radio frequencies for your phone,etc..etc ?

./bernard

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
actuallly when you buy land, you buy a right to use it, you don't own it, the government (and dont start me on who/what is government) owns it. Same way you dont own your wife by paying dowry. in the case of consummables you buy the right to consume:-), so for a cellphone I guess I pay for use of a service. as for privacy....maybe go off grid:-)

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Vee Legrandchef <vlegrandchef@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Yes and you have the right to shoot anyone who trespasses... :-)

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:11:20 +0300

From: bmwagiru@gmail.com
To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Carrier IQ saga - This must have been scary for smartphone owners.....

So in that case, the piece of land I bought is Private property, right?

./bernard

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Vee Legrandchef <vlegrandchef@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
@Benard...really? there's a term 'Private property' where u own something e.g. asset after you purchase it. The same should apply for a service. 
However i believe we 'sell off' our rights at the point where we sign an agreement with service providers without reading what is quoted therein (T&Cs)....Thereby selling off your 'Privacy'??????????

> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:09:07 +0300
> From: bmwagiru@gmail.com

> To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Carrier IQ saga - This must have been scary for smartphone owners.....
>
> @Vee,
> There you go.You've got no "right" to privacy.
> ./bernard
>
> On 5/29/12, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yeah, it should be a sarcastic question. cause as far as I am concerned,
> > privacy rights dont exist... not when several quotes can be made off our
> > sacrosanct constitution and throw everything out of the window.
> >
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Bernard Mwagiru
> > <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> @areba,
> >>
> >> Really?
> >>
> >> ./bernard
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Collins Areba
> >> <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> actually @bernard its... "*Your Privacy?*"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Bernard Mwagiru
> >>> <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What *are your* Privacy rights?
> >>>>
> >>>> ./bernard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Vee Legrandchef <
> >>>> vlegrandchef@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks ./Ok3ch 4 the 411.....wonder whether the local telcos infringe
> >>>>> on our privacy rights i knw they do monitor activity but not sure to
> >>>>> which
> >>>>> extent....????
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:59:44 +0300
> >>>>> > From: okechukwu@gmail.com
> >>>>> > To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Carrier IQ saga - This must have been
> >>>>> > scary
> >>>>> for smartphone owners.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > You getting this information now? This is so old old news and
> >>>>> > Carrier
> >>>>> > IQ even apologized and we forgave them!
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > ./Ok3ch
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Vee Legrandchef
> >>>>> > <vlegrandchef@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> > > Researcher Trevor Eckhart just discovered a hidden application
> >>>>> > > that
> >>>>> records
> >>>>> > > everything millions of people write, view and search for on their
> >>>>> > > cellphones. It sends all of that data to a company no one’s ever
> >>>>> heard of.
> >>>>> > > And we have no idea what that company is doing with our
> >>>>> information......
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17XQI_AYNo
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Now, CIQ seems to be in trouble for
> >>>>> > > this
> >>>>> http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/175096/carrier-iq-loses-preliminary-round-in-privacy-laws.html
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> > > at least some vendors have taken a move to have this discontinued
> >>>>> on their
> >>>>> > > sets
> >>>>> http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-removing-carrier-iq-from-cdma-android-devices-starting-in-january-45621/
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Privacy laws are taken seriously in some places....tutafika siku
> >>>>> moja. Haki
> >>>>> > > yetu? hehe...
> >>>>> > >
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