I know of Kenyan tech people in South Africa, the US and Canada. The harder problem is getting a job. Employers have to do most of the work to get immigration done, but there is definitely demand so if people focus on the job first and the country later - that seems like a more efficient method. -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Thing is, where do you go? Most developed countries have harsh immigration policies, so the option is to go to another developing country which is a toss up to be honest.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
Kenyans can boycott government by voting with their feet and leaving the country. The same is true with foreign companies.
This happens every day and if governance were even made halfway more responsive, annual GDP growth would be much higher :-(
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On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple problem really. KRA can arrest you if you fail to comply. If you don't file tax returns 'because the site was down', they fine you. So the site is there to make their lives slightly easier (fewer people in Times Towers), but not really because they are concerned about user experience.
Taxation happens because the state has a monopoly on violence, we can't boycott government, we can't not pay our taxes. It's really a screwed up situation.
When Simba is down, KPA charges car importers for having their cars in storage. KRA won't clear your car, so the other arm of government (KPA) charges you for it.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:59 PM, jeremy sinja <jeysinja@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no clue why they keep changing systems when clearly They are not conveniencing anybody even the staff! Budgetary constraints might be the issue which is pathetic like three days ago i was at their community offices, work was at standstill
On 3/6/14, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
A few years ago, they put an ad in the papers requesting management trainees for all courses except IT related!
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Sinja, what happened to the system they acquired from... was it Chile? On Mar 6, 2014 1:33 PM, "Adam Nelson" <adam@varud.com> wrote:
> The problem is that 3 smart people is not enough. An organization that > size probably needs 20 smart people, and a budget for supplies, and > support > from the rest of the organization, and smart people in every other > department so they can get stuff done within the bureaucracy. > > I'm sure it's not just a technical deficiency, but more like a > budget/organizational problem. > > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> > More Musings: varud.com > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:16 PM, jeremy sinja <jeysinja@gmail.com> wrote: > >> They have rolled out a new system. Yes I know, AGAIN! Unforseen faults >> in the system has been a challenge >> >> On 3/6/14, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: >> > A couple of many-months ago, there were two KRA techies on this list, >> > although not necessarily working on those tax systems, and from my >> > interactions with them, the knew their stuff pretty well. >> > >> > And many many many years ago, one of the guru system admins at the >> > University I was learning at was poached by KRA to work at their >> > wilson >> > airport *dev* base. >> > >> > Based on those two flimsy observations, I would offer the opinion >> > that >> they >> > *may* have the skill. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Kevin Njoroge < nknkevin@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hey Adam, >> >> Somebody ought to explain this, really, because it makes the really >> good >> >> administrators and our profession in general, look bad. >> >> >> >> It is not once I have been confronted and asked to explain this. >> >> When >> I >> >> do >> >> explain what the possible causes are, I am asked, "why don't you >> >> tell >> >> them >> >> what to do?" >> >> >> >> If it is a budgetary problem, they as a department can take it up >> >> with >> >> top >> >> level management. But if they are to succeed, they need to build a >> case >> >> in >> >> conjunction with all the other departments, diplomatic style. >> >> >> >> If they don't know what to do, they need to consult from more >> experienced >> >> guys. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kevin Njoroge >> >> about.me/nknkevin >> >> >> >> On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 11:55 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> That site is riddled with problems and it definitely makes the >> department >> >> look like it's made up of rookies ... but what can you do? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> >> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> >> >> >> >> More Musings: varud.com >> >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Kevin Njoroge < nknkevin@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > For a while I have noticed accessing kra.co.ke and iTax systems >> >> > has >> >> > been >> >> > having issues. Although it's not as bad as it was months ago, it >> still >> >> > happens. I figure they changed a lot of things which is >> >> > commendable, >> >> > but >> >> I >> >> > still have to ask: >> >> > >> >> > - Is it that they have low bandwidth on their servers such that it >> is >> >> > difficult to access it when everybody is on it? Or is it that >> someone >> >> > hasn't noticed that they need to increase the number of requests >> that >> >> > the >> >> > server can handle at any one time? >> >> > >> >> > It's funny that error 503s still happen since they (the KRA server >> >> admins) >> >> > should be expecting a lot traffic to their sites. Somebody break >> >> > it >> >> > down >> >> > for me because this baffles me. Is it a budget issue (they are not >> >> > being >> >> > given the resources they need), a competency issue (they don't >> >> > know >> >> > what >> >> to >> >> > do) or a security issue (they are limiting requests to prevent >> hacking) >> >> or >> >> > what? >> >> > >> >> > Also, I think the KNEC and KPLC website and server admins should >> learn >> >> > something from this because when a major update comes from those >> >> companies, >> >> > error 503 from their sites becomes the order of the day , which I >> >> > think, >> >> > makes them look like rookies (no offence). >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Kevin Njoroge >> >> > about.me/nknkevin >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > skunkworks mailing list >> >> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> skunkworks mailing list >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > Peter Karunyu >> > ------------------- >> > >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards. >> Makhanu Sinja >> +254 (0) 72168 0868 | Twitter:@iMakhs <http:www.twitter.com/iMakhs
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