@Brian, :-)) nope!  I just want Simon the dude to send a nice polite message to his provider that he has problems with their service. Then let the www come back with ip requests for Simon network as the DOSer. Hakuna njia nyingine... why do SPs do such things as poor CS. All they need to do is sit with him and go through all the tests to ensure that his network and their services are on par. I mean how complicated is this? :-)