I think the issue here is not so much Kenyanizing as ownership and development of expertise. As stated in the Joomla thread, the reason we find a lot of Kenyan developer's are lacking in skill is because of what these already existing tools are doing to them i.e. They don't feel the need to go under the hood and figure out how it's working. And I can say with some level certainty that the large majority of the Joomla "users" have never even looked at the code behind the extensions they downloaded, let alone tried to develop their own extensions. Mich also said it quite well in the cloud computing thread: the reason we lack the expertise we are "more driven by the $ than by the technology to care to know how to build it all together. We have been quick to say that why reinvent the wheel... However, the downside of not reinventing the wheel is we take the wheel and use it without understanding why it was built that way - we just know that we need it and we use it" I believe not re-inventing the wheel only makes us complacent and by extension lazy @Areba Its an oxymoron to say don't reinvent the wheel then go ahead and praise the chinese - they reinvent the wheel everyday and in almost everything chinese that they build. The reinvention we are talking about here is not just about copy-pasting and placing a "Kenyan Production" Label, but as you said, breaking it apart and learning from it and then building your own! -Billy