>
> This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by
> themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void,
> repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-)
> Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?

Ha, this is actually a very practical exercise. As I wrote earlier,  insurance companies would be all over themselves for that kind of statistics.

Case in point, if you buy a Honda and your friend buy a Toyota same price, same year and both of you have the same driving history, the Honda will trigger a higher premium.  Why, apparently because statistics have it that its involved in higher accidents compared to Toyota.

Its even funnier, the model year also results in different premium.  So yes, despite human being the main cause of accidents, it does make a point to factor in the car brand too.

Muriithi

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am
> > merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has
> > already collected it.
> >
> > My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is:
> > Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya,
> > *ceteris paribus?*
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for
> >> vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> @Karunyu,
> >>>
> >>> Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained
> >>> criminal mind<LOL>
> >>>
> >>> I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at
> >>> Harambee Avenue.
> >>>
> >>> Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which
> >>> you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get
> >>> closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you
> >>> to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for
> >>> a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data -
> >>> never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I
> >>>> shall try the insurers first.
> >>>>
> >>>> But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it
> >>>> is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all
> >>>> accidents result in insurance claims.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya
> >>>>> Insurers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
> >>>>>>
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> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>,       skunkworks
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> Subject: [Skunkworks] Affordable endpoint solution
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> Skunks
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> Can anyone recommend an endpoint protection solution ( that combines
> desktops and mobile devices) Encrypts disks in case of loss etc I want to
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> Had a quot from symantec about 170 USD per user per year and found that too
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> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>,       skunkworks
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> Skunks
>
> Can anyone recommend an endpoint protection solution ( that combines
> desktops and mobile devices) Encrypts disks in case of loss etc I want to
> implement for anout 80 users.
>
> Had a quot from symantec about 170 USD per user per year and found that too
> expensive.
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:03:44 +0300
> From: Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>
> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>
> Subject: [Skunkworks]  PTZ IR Outdoor IP Camera
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> Hello Listers,
>
> I'm looking for one unit of the above.
>
>    - It can be bullet or dome type.
>    - H.264
>    - Must have a mounting bracket.
>    - Range should be at least 50m in IR mode.
>
> Kindly send quotes with make/model specs to my email address.
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:07:37 +0300
> From: frankgates <kfransys@gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Skunkworks] buying a console-to-usb converter
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> Hi,
>
> I am bila a com port, I need a console-to-usb converter cable for
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> From: Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT>Vehicle accident statistics
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> @Odhiambo, I agree with you to some extent; my list of potential accident
> cause agents reads thus:
>
> 1. People
> 2. Infrastructure; which are built, maintained (or not) and vandalized by
> people, thus the real cause is people
> 3. Vehicles; e.g. the recent case of Toyota's self-accelerating. But
> vehicles are still built and maintained (or not) by people
> 4. Nature; one might argue that human beings are invariably changing the
> weather patterns, but this is highly debatable.
>
> So, rephrasing my research question: Which vehicle make and model is used
> most by people who cause accidents? Then my secondary question would be;
> which vehicle make and model is involved most in accidents caused by acts
> of nature :-)
>
> I am afraid that the goal of my research is not so noble as to *finish *some
> brands, I simply want to win an argument with a colleague who trashed a
> certain make and model, and secondly, know which car NOT to buy as I happen
> to respect the mathematics of probability.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by
> > themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void,
> > repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-)
> > Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am
> >> merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has
> >> already collected it.
> >>
> >> My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is:
> >> Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya,
> >> *ceteris paribus?*
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for
> >>> vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <
> >>> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> @Karunyu,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained
> >>>> criminal mind<LOL>
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at
> >>>> Harambee Avenue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone
> >>>> (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if
> >>>> you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that
> >>>> is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely
> >>>> possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential'
> >>>> police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people,
> >>>>> I shall try the insurers first.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it
> >>>>> is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all
> >>>>> accidents result in insurance claims.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya
> >>>>>> Insurers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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