8 May
2012
8 May
'12
8:56 p.m.
Look this is the issue, we can't wait for a broken system to fix itself. As a student, landing a great internship is not easy. Waiting to be 'placed' by a university is crazy talk. A few companies have programs to handle this. most don't. Personally I'd advise people seeking internships earlier in their careers to take on the ones with the most/best exposure and chances for 'luck' and serendipitous encounters. overlook the cash for a while. Seek out well connected individuals/companies and ask to help them with something, identify a problem, help them solve it if you can or help them get someone you know can fix it really well; yes even for no pay. Show and add some value. And yes I know people with great attitudes and outlook that got jobs this way. Gitau On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:30 PM, [J'Alego Karuoth Nyakwar Osuma] < drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote: > I think its upon the colleges to come up with ways to mitigate pay issue > - internship is one of the curricula requirements in most colleges and > usually paid for. If a Lecturer is paid to make follow ups on attachees why > not the institutional supervisors tasked to mentor?? > > I guess S/He who seeks knowledge gains alot careerwise s/he who looks for > pay has all priorities wrong in life - a bumpy road many never succeed in. > > It consumes alot of ones time supervising interns most of whom are just > jokers with no direction in life, bad attitude; I do wonder if this forms > part of ones JD. > > These are chances that open up opportunities to many better the devil you > know within than the angels picked randomly... > > Its time supervisors are paid for teaching , knowledge transfer , > supervision etc. > > > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote: > >> no actually you're wrong. let me give an example. I am a consultant. I >> could get a project that I think an intern could learn from maybe designing >> a network or migrating from one protocol to another eg (ospf to ISIS) or >> implementing IPv6 for a network. All highly valuable skills and experiences. >> >> I might actually not have money to pay someone, might not even need one >> but decide to work with an intern with potential that I have identified >> maybe at one of our meetings for them to get the experience. >> >> I wont get into an argument on what is right or wrong, what I can tell >> you is THAT experience would be worthwhile, and whether or not I pay the >> intern I still believe it would do more for them in the future than a paid >> internship as a guy that pulls cables somewhere. these are just examples. >> >> It is total arrogance to assume you can sit on the sidelines of a debate >> like this and make judgement. It is very subjective. >> >> gitau >> >> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM, steve kyengo <k.stevo08@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And if you can't pay an intern then you not in a position of having one >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:10 AM, ThomasI Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> We live in a democratic environment.. >>>> >>>> Those who can afford and would like to pay the intern.. please feel >>>> free to do so... >>>> >>>> Those who cannot afford or those who are againist paying the intern for >>>> some reason or another .. don't pay and don't feel guilty its your right >>>> to do as you please... >>>> >>>> simple.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 May 2012 09:19, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I believe if an student comes to your company looking for internship >>>>> then it may make sense not to pay him. >>>>> >>>>> But where you actually advertise, and are looking for experience, as >>>>> is in this case, then its clear you are not looking for a raw beginner >>>>> just so that you can offer him/her training facilities (in which case >>>>> you even have a right to charge him) >>>>> >>>>> This is a case where the company is a few hands short for a temporary >>>>> yet not fixed period and is seeking to fill that vacancy. >>>>> >>>>> They should consider some sort of stipend. Some might even call it >>>>> remuneration. >>>>> >>>>> My thoughts >>>>> >>>>> On 5/8/12, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Am in agreement with Collins & Wash on this - If an internship is >>>>> required >>>>> > for you to complete your studies, then the school should actually >>>>> give you >>>>> > money to complete your internship - I remember way back we were given >>>>> > 6,500/- which was never paid back (not a loan). The company is >>>>> therefore at >>>>> > their discretion to pay you. I also remember a company like Kenya >>>>> Railways >>>>> > used to charge the student for internship since they had the best >>>>> workshops >>>>> > in the country and to use it you had to pay them! >>>>> > However, as an employer, I also advocate for giving something small >>>>> - but >>>>> > at your discretion and not a right! >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ./Ok3ch >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Collins Areba >>>>> > <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> actually, Internship / attachment is usually a difficult time in a >>>>> >> students career especially where (as is the case with most courses) >>>>> it is >>>>> >> an integral part of completing your academic studies. In most >>>>> instances >>>>> >> institutions organize for this, and in our days they even used to >>>>> arrange >>>>> >> for a "stipend" directly with the student. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I would however say the "intern" bein looked for by Norman above is >>>>> >> actually cheap labour, which could be wrong. Unless of course there >>>>> is >>>>> >> stuff to be learnt thats of a unique and invaluable nature. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:56 PM, ndungu stephen >>>>> >> <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> @ Collins >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> You did not address those who cannot afford. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I remember during my internship i used to share some of my funds >>>>> with >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> cleaners when i found them at the bus stop - apparently waiting >>>>> for 5 >>>>> >>> bob >>>>> >>> fares past 10pm, when the matatu was shouting 30 bob. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> >>> ------------ >>>>> >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> >>> ------------ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> >>> ------------ >>>>> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three >>>>> developments of >>>>> >> great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of >>>>> >> corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means >>>>> of >>>>> >> protecting corporate power against democracy”* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> >> ------------ >>>>> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> >> ------------ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> >> ------------ >>>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> **Gitau >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > -- **Gitau