Now we rocking!! :-) Keep going on this subject guys. So he really was not creating a cheap replica/imitation as is so normal of the copy-left world, what a relief in that I would never be able to understand how this would motivate anyone. Also keep in mind your contribution on the subject of coder and the mental block that I wrote about. Do you coders at any time suffer from this when writing code? I go though this cycle quite a lot, write code and almost complete what I started out, then delete it as am not happy with the outcome. It works fine but I need it to do something else too, so I make my notes or diagram and put it on a pinups and let it go for a few weeks. I even thought my laptop screen was the cause of the problem, so swapped to better or larger screens and still nothing changed. Do I find writing code boring? No, I find it extremely interesting because I can get the dumb-arse comp to do others things too like automate functions or do things that I cannot find in other programs. For e.g. I wrote a small program when I started out to watch a folder where I download my camera images so that it would move them automatically to a specific input folder where I can open the photo edit program without scrolling through all the thumbnails. So if you don't write code for commercial gain, social gain or even that would not have any value, how would you find yourself in front of the screen? That is why I felt those who knew the kernel level as Linus did would hold the answer to this. And we are starting to get there... I don't want ot hear from Linus, I want to hear from kenyans. @Steve, great stuff. @Joseph, bado. Some thots. Rgds. :-)