On 7/6/2011 8:34 AM, Steve Obbayi wrote:
Why do you get disappointed when a programmer hates Joomla... that is exactly the point. Downloading and installing Joomla does not make you a programmer or rather developer. IT SIMPLY MAKES YOU A USER. There is nothing to be ashamed of calling yourself a Joomla User, No! Really I mean it.
The market is flooded with so called "Developers" oops I mean users who then go around claiming to have developed the website yet you did Jack!!!! Must admit, it makes your portfolio look good. Unfortunately thats where it ends. Installing a CMS and throwing in a logo and fancy colors and txt full of typos is not development.
Peronally I ran five blogs, one on blogger, one is a custom solution and three are on WordPress. I am pretty good in using WordPress for example, tweaking themes adding plugins etc. BUT IN NO WAY DO I CLAIM TO BE A WORDPRESS DEVELOPER. And so do millions of bloggers out there who have managed to set up their own blogs including the stay at home mom next door. So why do Joomla users call themselves developers and use the excuse of not reinventing the wheel? It beats me.
I thank God Google has decided to reinvent the wheel with Google+, I thank God for people like Mark Zucks who decided to reinvent the social wheel, I thank Apple who decided to reinvent the gadget wheel with iphone, ipad imac etc. I thank Google again who decided to reinvent the search engine wheel, I thank safaricom (feel free to rant) who decided to reinvent the money transfer wheel. Without reinventing the wheel we would be stuck in the eighties.
Lets see those who refuse to reinvent the wheel... Nokia??? At least they've woken up. Blackberry dudes, Microsoft... i think you get the point.
Its the same ways computer technicians abuse the word Engineer... A TECHNICIAN IS NOT AN ENGINEER. Its an insult to real Engineers. And that is where the first problem lies with Joomla.
For a real developer Joomla can save you hours of real coding. But the developer sacrifices scalability and a whole lot of stuff I dont want to get into here. Joomla cannot scale to the level of Facebook, google, twitter <name millions of other speciality sites here>. You need a custom setup to do that. Thats the whole point. For some of the stuff I have had to do, Joomla just does not cut it.
Why I hate Joomla. It does not promote INNOVATION neither does it promote the growth of the developer... oops I mean user unless you are focused on building mods then thats another story. On this list there is a lot of talk on innovation and being Africa's number one yet the people with potential to make this happen continue to close themselves in the Joomla box. Simple test... How many developers in Kenya have built Joomla modules? You be the judge and get my point. Developers have become so comfortable using Joomla that it has cripled the personal growth of the individual.
Joomla has generated too much hype that it cant live up to. Being a popular CMS does not mean it is good. Just the way PHP may be so popular but has many internal design issues and is relatively slow... Try writing a CPU intensive app woth PHP and you'll know what I mean. By the way despite that, I still like PHP :)
Joomla has its place and unfortunately that place is not in my heart.
I think al pause on this for now.
----- "Kago Kagichiri" <thekenyanprince@gmail.com> wrote:
The basic point is that Joomla is used by alot of people who don't know how to create components or modules or even edit the CSSes for them to at least match the rest of the site.
I get very disappointed to hear a programmer hates Joomla when it's one of the projects that has stayed free and has a million and one extensions that you can open up in your IDE and modify to your tastes.
However, I do agree, if you don't know how to customize your Joomla then stay away to avoid pissing off any Skunkers. In the end these guys get paid good money for total @#$%^$#$.... and we are left complaining about it without further action.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Mike M. <mmycool@gmail.com <mailto:mmycool@gmail.com>> wrote:
The issue here is not about Joomla,but 'The website' ....Only Michuki Mwangi was objective. Hope the developers are listening...Sorry...reading. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co..ke <http://my.co.ke> >
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So the problem then is not Joomla, it is the users. Direct your anger appropriately. For me, I believe that if you can master an open source CMS like Joomla, down to creating your own extensions, doing template overrides, mastering the framework, you can use it to serve most purposes.