On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, King'ori Gitahi <
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> @ Kiania i think to water down the conversation to an affront on Apple is
> unfair to the well thought out arguments on this thread. The issue here at
> least as i percieve it is the economic model that allows employee
> exploitation. There are two levels to this. The Macro level being how global
> economics encourage employee exploitation and the Micro level of how Apple
> and many other manufacturers are individually responsible for this. Hec how
> we are all individually responsible. We cant be whistling dixie while people
> are suffering . Their is some collective responsibility involved. While you
> are right on the suicide, for me that is a sideshow. We are trying to fix
> the disease not the symptom. And the disease is the fact that capitalism
> demands that business return a profit cut costs at whatever cost within the
> confines of the law. That bloodthirsty lust for profit must be tempered if
> workmans dignity is to be maintained. There are certain costs at which
> profit will make you lose sleep at night A caveat also is that it is too
> simplistic to assume that the suicides are caused by the working conditions.
> It might have the straw that broke the camels back, but their is usually a
> multiplicity of issues underlying such a drastic action. Kingz For to be
> free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that
> respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela > -----
> Original message ----- > From: "David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd" >
> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Suicides at iPad
> factory in China revealed, Something rotten at Apple's core? > Date: Tue, 1
> Jun 2010 20:51:44 +0300 > > >Sorry to spoil your lynching party but I fail
> to see the direct > correlation between Apple and the suicides. Off the
> blocks lemme be > first to say that suicide is a very personal decision and
> one of the > most selfish (Sorry for anyone who gets hurt by this
> expression, I > have dealt with this matter at a personal level). In China
> and Japan > it's considered a matter of honour. > > A person decides that
> having no life at all is better than the life he > has. How in the world
> does that link up to Apple and why should they > take the blame for such a
> choice? Is the product they make enough to > apportion blame to them. Can we
> blame Toyota for manufacturing a car > that someone uses to drive over a
> cliff? > > Some perspective people. My thoughts ... > > > > Kiania D. > > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Rad! wrote: > > The unfortunate
> elephant in the room is that nobody really cares about > > the welfare of
> outsourced labour as long as they deliver > > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at
> 12:21 PM, Joram Mwinamo > > wrote: > >> Digital is the new sweatshops......
>> >> People should hang for exploiting others so that they can become bigger
> than > >> microsoft.... > > _______________________________________________
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