On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:05 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, I'm going to respect your opinion and you've also got to respect mine. I've known you on this list as some of the few and best knowledgeable people on the network layer. Until you make the jump from "User and Consumer of Open Source" to "Creator on Open Source", we will keep going back and
Like I said, I don't have to do anything to make you happy. We cannot all be "creators", at least not all at the same time. Maybe I will be one day, but as I graduate into a smarter "user and consumer" and gain more experience and knowledge, this list is one way I learn every day. Most of the time by just reading because I don't always have answers (heck, I rarely do). Insulting others for being at the level they're at is not the big stick that will get us there. Respect others too (not just their opinions).
forth, and following the protests about noisy and hijacked threads, lets keep this one clean.
1) In a nutshell this is what the Technology Producers Group is about. We want to separate the Users from the Creators. And you are most welcome, as
"We" want to separate? I know I don't. Who else does, show of hands? And how are the "users and consumers" ever going to get where you're convinced they have to if your answer to the "problem" is to separate the more knowledgeable who they can share ideas with?
your knowledge and skills are quite important to where this group goes. As an example, you also know that 99% of all the boxed NTM, IDS devices are based on Open Source. All that the manufacturers/creators of these boxed devices did was to create a proprietary algorithm or sequence that makes the boxes perform differently. Given the level of expertise that is within the KE circles on Network Layer & Open Source, what is stopping local production of NTM/IDS devices for not only local sale but export? We need a development plan and a focus to match what Smart Companies will do. Whether you or I can get involved commercially or not, lets have some platform to try and achieve this because it is very very possible. Are you saying that given your network knowledge, you cannot create a device that fulfills the goals of IP
If by "creating" you mean re-inventing the wheel, then according to you I can't and I don't see why I must. I make smart use of what's available, share the experience I gain, and I always hope that in the process I may come up with something new some day. If I don't, so be it.
Traffic Management for Egde Networks? We can easily do this, just going by our experiences and knowledge on the layer.
2) @John Doe posted a very interesting thread on his internet problems. Partly you and me and other Network layer specialists are to blame for the current bad situation in the Data Sector. So we have all this knowledge and experience, know what high standards are required, yet some of our Data Networks are running in pre-historic internet times? This is where the Technology Producers Group is going to change things. I see it as a platform in the future that can convince investors that there are people in KE who can turn around the data sector very easily. If they are able to fund
The problem is not the technology. It's poor business practices and ethics, bad attitudes, lack of passion to do things right, and failing to put customers first. Nothing anyone creates will change anything without a change of mindset. BR, S