OMG a loving this thread, so we have real network engineers here!!! ./Chuks On 10/29/09, George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok Guys,
I have read this thread like I was witnessing a defense case on a humorous kenyan court. @Simon if you have time use either and walk the talk yourself now that you have received the information.
I really like the thread now that I know there a quite a few guys who know their networks well here, at some time I thot his forum is full of developers we should now really contributed. I got my own mind bogging issues but I shall start a new thread on it later.
Best luck Simon, hope to hear ur view soon.
Regards Themburu
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Get serious man! we are busy talking about mpls/bgp ... then you drop such
a line?
call me whatever activist you call me. but look at this "cisco 1841 with seck9 capability" extract from packet tracer
== Router#sho crypto ? ipsec Show IPSEC policy isakmp Show ISAKMP key Show long term public keys map Crypto maps Router#sho crypto % Incomplete command. Router# ==
does this look like calculus to you?
I beg your pardon.. was that directed at me? If so, then forgive me but I don't remember talking about IPSec and VPN tunnel... I was talking about loading IOS images into a simulated router. And the activist bit.. I think you took it a little too seriously... it was in line with that rat joke. Anyway, sorry for stirring your anger/strong reaction, but I think I thanked all for their input and settled for GNS3. But that doesn't mean Packet Tracer is bad, in fact, I believe it's very good. So I hope we are all a happy lot now.
Enjoy your lunch :)
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe... looks like you are an animal right activist, Francis. you really want me to use your toy gun on my rat. I need a bazooka coz I want to load a K9 advanced security image. I realize that dynamips doesn't support 1800 series, so I obtained an IOS image for a 2691 and a 2600, which I want to try.
Anyway, thanks guys for your input. I appreciate it.
Me.
2009/10/29 francis kamau <kfransys@gmail.com>
Yes, it has limitations (like any other software in the world). Well, you load .bin files in dynamips/GNS. ptracer has pre-configured images. In my opinion, "loading IOS bin files to configuring them" amounts to 1% of the simulator's functions.
With packet tracer; you can load a cisco 1841, reload it, cold boot the router, Go shopping to San Francisco and buy an E1 WIC card, remove the faulty card and fix a new one, redistribute your eigrp/ospf routers to another simulator in a different machine ... Simon, this toy needs a real boy.
regards, frank
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Simon Mbuthia < simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:
But doesn't packet tracer have limited functionality? Can it fully simulate a real router, from loading IOS bin files to configuring them? I doubt, but not so sure...
2009/10/29 francis kamau <kfransys@gmail.com>
> No, once you install your paket tracer you are good to go. This is an > example of self decompressing image on an cisco1841. If you knew what > seck9 > means in C1841-ADVIPSERVICESK9-M image, by now you should repent and > let me > baptize you in the name of "confi t"... > > == > System Bootstrap, Version 12.3(8r)T8, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > Cisco 1841 (revision 5.0) with 114688K/16384K bytes of memory. > > Self decompressing the image : > ########################################################################## > [OK] > Restricted Rights Legend > > Use, duplication, or disclosure by the Government is > subject to restrictions as set forth in subparagraph > (c) of the Commercial Computer Software - Restricted > Rights clause at FAR sec. 52.227-19 and subparagraph > (c) (1) (ii) of the Rights in Technical Data and Computer > Software clause at DFARS sec. 252.227-7013. > > cisco Systems, Inc. > 170 West Tasman Drive > San Jose, California 95134-1706 > > > > Cisco IOS Software, 1841 Software (C1841-ADVIPSERVICESK9-M), Version > 12.4(15)T1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2) > Technical Support: http://www.cisco.com/techsupport > Copyright (c) 1986-2007 by Cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled Wed 18-Jul-07 04:52 by pt_team > Image text-base: 0x60080608, data-base: 0x6270CD50 > > > This product contains cryptographic features and is subject to United > States and local country laws governing import, export, transfer and > use. Delivery of Cisco cryptographic products does not imply > third-party authority to import, export, distribute or use > encryption. > Importers, exporters, distributors and users are responsible for > compliance with U.S. and local country laws. By using this product > you > agree to comply with applicable laws and regulations. If you are > unable > to comply with U.S. and local laws, return this product immediately. > > A summary of U.S. laws governing Cisco cryptographic products may be > found at: > http://www.cisco.com/wwl/export/crypto/tool/stqrg.html > > If you require further assistance please contact us by sending email > to > export@cisco.com. > > > Cisco 1841 (revision 5.0) with 114688K/16384K bytes of memory. > Processor board ID FTX0947Z18E > M860 processor: part number 0, mask 49 > 2 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 191K bytes of NVRAM. > 63488K bytes of ATA CompactFlash (Read/Write) > Cisco IOS Software, 1841 Software (C1841-ADVIPSERVICESK9-M), Version > 12.4(15)T1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2) > Technical Support: http://www.cisco.com/techsupport > Copyright (c) 1986-2007 by Cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled Wed 18-Jul-07 04:52 by pt_team > > > --- System Configuration Dialog --- > > Continue with configuration dialog? [yes/no]: no > > > Press RETURN to get started! > > > > Router>en > Router# > Router# > == > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Simon Mbuthia < > simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Wait a minute, do you mean to tell me that I can load an IOS image >> and fully configure a router in Packet Tracer? >> >> >> 2009/10/29 francis kamau <kfransys@gmail.com> >> >>> hi >>> >>> Hehehe ... for an 1841 router - packet tracer is more than enough. >>> If you have all the time/resources to download the IOS then go for >>> GNS3. Do >>> you have anything specific that you are trying on an 1841 that is >>> not >>> available in packet tracer? >>> >>> Packet tracer: let us get to command line >>> >>> - you can do vlans and inter-vlan routing >>> - static routes >>> - dynamic routing - except BGP >>> - multilayer switching >>> - IPsec VPNs >>> - ... >>> >>> >>> === >>> Router(config)#rout >>> Router(config)#router ? >>> eigrp Enhanced Interior Gateway Routing Protocol (EIGRP) >>> ospf Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) >>> === >>> >>> Why would you call this uzi a toy gun? ... oh ... but a toy gun is >>> dangerous to a toy boy. >>> >>> For my BSCI I used packet tracer until I reached BGP and >>> Redistribution (used GNS3) >>> If you were talking about anything above 3500 series - then use >>> GNS3. >>> >>> kind regards, >>> frank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Simon Mbuthia < >>> simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Francis, >>>> >>>> I have been using Packet Tracer for some time... the thing is, >>>> it's >>>> a toy gun. A toy gun can't kill a rat. I downloaded GNS3 though, >>>> which I'm >>>> struggling to get working, but thanks for the heads up tho ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> Me. >>>> >>>> 2009/10/29 francis kamau <kfransys@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Why buy a gun to kill a rat? try cisco packet tracer 5.0 or 5.1 >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Michuki Mwangi < >>>>> michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> You ought to note that Dynagen GNS3 only supports the following >>>>>> >>>>>> "As of Dynamips 0.2.8-RC1 and Dynagen 0.10.0 1700, 2600, 3600, >>>>>> 3700, and >>>>>> 7200 routers are emulated." >>>>>> >>>>>> But you could try if you have an 1841 image no guarantees >>>>>> though. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other option is to give more details on what you are trying >>>>>> to >>>>>> achieve on the 1841 - if you want to do the Voice modules i >>>>>> think >>>>>> the >>>>>> 1700 can also do that. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will however be limited to the kind of modules you can add >>>>>> on >>>>>> Dynagen/GNS3 as well. So see its feature lists. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michuki. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> aki wrote: >>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Simon Mbuthia < >>>>>> simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> Hey guys, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I am looking for simulation software for the subject router. >>>>>> I wish to >>>>>> >>> test an IOS file on a virtual router before making a >>>>>> purchase. Is there such >>>>>> >>> a thing as that? Kind of like a VM equivalent of a router? >>>>>> >>> On >>>>>> google, all I >>>>>> >>> see is Boson and such things... Cisco Cert. Labs etc, which >>>>>> >>> I >>>>>> think are not >>>>>> >>> fully-fledged simulators. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Kindly help. Thanks. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Me. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> > Hey Simon, this info maybe outdated as have not used a cisco >>>>>> > in >>>>>> years, try >>>>>> > Cisco Config Maker. 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